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    Clover
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    France and it’s people do not like change. This is reflected in the customs, culture,psyche and the weekend shopping trolley.


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    vic evans
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    No, you can’t. But you can’t grow up in France, be educated in France, get a Business degree from x université and find a job in France either.

    We’ve recently helped our mayors son ‘tart up’ his English language cv as he’s looking for a job outside France & preferably in Britain. The guy is apparently well educated  but struggling to find work in France commensurate with his qualifications.


    The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.

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    fittersmate
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    I’ve been resident here for 22years so cannot vote and no,not rich nor have any sterling income which is why I am not too bothered. Obviously if I could vote, it would be to remain in.Think too many racist ignoramus inthe UK have no real idea what its all about and think its only to do with getting Freddie foreigner out or stopping him coming in.

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    I would respectfully observe that you might have a completely different take on that Clover if you lived in any particular area in the UK that has been swamped by an imported alien  culture to the virtual exclusion of the indigenous population.


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    CelticRambler
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    I would respectfully observe that you might have a completely different take on that Clover if you lived in any particular area in the UK that has been swamped by an imported alien culture to the virtual exclusion of the indigenous population.

    Are you referring to the Romans or the Normans, there?

    Or perhaps the Angles, Saxons or Jutes?

    Or even the Irish?

    It’s been a very long time since the original Britons/Bretons had much say in the culture of Britain … but they did invade Northwestern France and create the Breton territoire/culture, so you could say that Clover’s just keeping that tradition alive.


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    lindal1000
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    You can’t arrive in France with a Business degree from x university and find a job in France.

    No, you can’t. But you can’t grow up in France, be educated in France, get a Business degree from x université and find a job in France either. France is not “anti-competitive” – or indeed really anti-EU: it’s just broken, and filled with 60 million timid peasants who desperately need a strong leader. Right now, France’s biggest problem is that there is free movement of goods and people, and both employers and French consumers have realised that just about anything coming from anywhere else in the EU is better than the French equivalent. Having been indoctrinated for so long in the belief that France and it’s culture is superior to that of the rest of the planet, it’s a hard knock to take …

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    Fair point. But everyone talks fondly about how great France was pre EU. You could argue that the EU broke France.

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    I am not a robot

    Everyone talks about everywhere as being better before the EU/Margaret Thatcher/TV/The Internet /Global economy/Social Media/Tony Blair/The Roman Invasion/etc. etc. Most people look back with the rose tinted specs..but forget all the negative things. Some people think Britain was great in the days of the Empire, but those days are gone and will never return (thank goodness) as they weren’t that great for the majority of people that the Empire ruled. We have a global economy ruled by multinational corporations . No country on their own can fight that.


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    I’ve been resident here for 22years so cannot vote and no,not rich nor have any sterling income which is why I am not too bothered. Obviously if I could vote, it would be to remain in.Think too many racist ignoramus inthe UK have no real idea what its all about and think its only to do with getting Freddie foreigner out or stopping him coming in.

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    I would respectfully observe that you might have a completely different take on that Clover if you lived in any particular area in the UK that has been swamped by an imported alien culture to the virtual exclusion of the indigenous population.

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    Are you referring to all those French, Polish or Irish immigrants working in London? ‘Cause they’re the only ones that are there because of the EU. Any other ‘aliens’ are due to the UK’s immigration policies alone


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    pommehomme
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    As happens so often, this thread has been taken off on a tangent by those who possess metaphorical soap boxes and wish to use those from which to beat their individuals drums. But I’d invite everyone to go back to the initial post and address the issues there, namely if you’re on a fixed income paid in £ Sterling, could you afford to live in France if the exchange rate were to fall to £1/0,50€ and do you think that if, in consequence, you are forced to return to the UK, perhaps after many years residing in France, the natives would welcome you back?


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    Clover
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    For those on sterling income, would that not be a case of swings and roundabouts? i.e. UK you pay council tax which is quite expensive I believe but in France you pay taxes according to the value of the property and your income etc with quite a few exemptions if you are below a certain level of income. Health treatment is free in UK regarding doctors and hospitals but waiting times are long and consultations are just a few minutes as against the french system where paying means you get more and quicker. Food and clothing can be comparable depending on your choice and diesel I believe is cheaper in France plus there is no road tax either. Back in 96/97 the currency did fall from 12Ff/£1 to 6Ff and people on UK pensions managed to survive by tightening their belts which is what will happen if it falls again, you make do and mend and live within your means.


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    Thank you, Clover, for addressing the issues. However I wonder whether, back in 1996/7, all those ex-pats then in France stayed, and took a ‘grin and bear it’ approach, or whether some decided to go back to the UK where their £ Sterling income would have greater value and, more importantly, if offered the possibility of a realistic chance of avoiding such a currency fluctuation, would have voted for that which offered that possibility?


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    Well one wealthy couple near me did sell up and go back because they were losing a lot of their pension but lo and behold, they returned and bought an even bigger property three years later after losing out in the UK because the “cheap bargain” luxurious Devon property began to disappear down into the ground through subsidence and they could only sell it for “scrap value” as it was not habitable. However because they bought an even bigger “look at me and all my wealth” property on returning to this commune it was their downfall as the huge amount of gardening took it’s toll and the husband keeled over and died in the garden one lunchtime. They said they came back because it was too expensive to live in the UK and had lost faith because it turned out the surveyor they engaged never spotted subsidence when they bought. No one else that I knew around here during that couple of lean years went back, they had all sold up and had nothing to go back to and no one was buying french property for them to sell up.

    No one knows what will happen but brits and other nationalities have always lived abroad long before any EU existed and will always continue to do so if they can afford it. Exchange rates come and go just like low cost airlines, wonder if the likes of RA and EJ etc will continue with cheap fares if there is an exit or pull out altogether when the local CCI for the airports they serve decide to up the charges and cut the subventions.


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    Kylo Ren
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    But I’d invite everyone to go back to the initial post and address the issues there, namely if you’re on a fixed income paid in £ Sterling, could you afford to live in France if the exchange rate were to fall to £1/0,50€ and do you think that if, in consequence, you are forced to return to the UK, perhaps after many years residing in France, the natives would welcome you back

    What happens if it goes the other way ? What happens if sterling becomes more stronger against the euro ? Would you be winging then ? NO ! You would have more money to spend on Tesco shopping delivered from the UK.  :wacko: and all the rest of the crap the Dordogne/Eymet expats order by the truck load from the UK . Cause British is best.   :scratch:

    What about the French who’s income in the UK is dependent on a strong Euro or do you not care about them. No…..you care about yourself.  :yes:

    Grrrrr…British expats in France. Some of them deserve their misery.

    Rant Over  :good:


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    So are you telling me that come the EU referendum you’ll not vote (assuming that you have a vote) by reference to caring about yourself but by reference to the effect that the result will have for French ationals whose income is in the UK and is dependent on a strong €? If you are , I’ll contact the Vatican and ask them to send canonisation application forms to you!


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    If those on fixed Stirling incomes find the Euro equivalent is not enough then they (I am assuming they are British) they can simply move back to the UK  and accept the profit they have made on the currency rate change.

    If this still is not financially sufficient then India is a good place to move.

    If you love France then you accept what ever happens. P.S. it will happen whether or not the UK stays or leaves.


    Oh dear

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    malced
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    As the UK is a net contributor to the EU budget if the vote is to leave then it is likely to have a negative impact on both the pound and the euro against other world currencies in the short term so a massive change between the two is unlikely.

    As to which direction it would go after the break will depend on what kind of deals the UK can make with the EU and other nations. The unfortunate thing for the UK  having left the EU that it will then be in a position where it needs these deals far more than the countries they are negotiating with so those countries are going to drive hard bargains.


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    normally
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    do you think that if, in consequence, you are forced to return to the UK, perhaps after many years residing in France, the natives would welcome you back?

    Why would that be different from anyone else who moves between two parts of the UK? Or will returnees be compelled to wear a “failed ex-pat” badge of shame? The premise of your question is ludicrous.


    😊 Ally. Keeping his insults to within tolerable standards since 2004.

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