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    roadrat
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    As the Quo said: ‘Down down deeper and down’. How prescient of them to know, 42 years ago, what the £ would be doing against the € in 2017!

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    It will be worse in the morning. With nothing happening until December now and  everyone acting as if the German elections are a surprise.  WTF?


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    pommehomme
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    You’re right, roadrat. Move over, George Soros! :yahoo:


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    roadrat
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    The dicussion you recall was not the distastefull comment referred to which should be consigned to room 101. It was said at the time when many were in shock and saying or repeating outrageous things.

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    Au royaume des aveugles les borgnes sont rois.

    Still waiting for GY to justify his comment though, if what you say is true it is a sad indication of how tenuous at best his arguments are.  Furthermore if we’re talking about people profiteering or deliberately sabotaging the lives of others isn’t that what Brexit voters did? We are constantly being told that they all knew what they were voting for and their vote has made life hell for millions of people already. Yet you continue to cast those arguing for Brexit on this forum as the victims.


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    Chanceux
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    Dont start on me, all I did was say that I read the comment, that it wasn’t fake news, it had been posted, anyone on the recieving end of bullying behaviour or insults whichever way they voted is a victim unless they are getting a taste of their own medecine.

    Keep me out of your political debate, I am neutral and did not vote, I will live with and adapt to the future consequences of the referendum whatever they may be just like everyone else regardless of how they voted or in my case didn’t.

    Are millions of peoples lives really hell already? Possibly for those overcome with anxiety, I’m not saying that if what you dread comes to pass it wont be the case but already, here and now?

    I have spent time in the UK 3 times since the referendum, nowhere did I see, witness or experience even the slightest hint of the hurt, suffering etc that is regularly claimed on this forum.

    Now the future may be hell for UK residents living in EU countries, I dont think it will and I am not going to let uncertainty of the future spoil my enjoyment of today, I do understand that others are not so lucky, I dont think the future plight of ex UK residents entered into the consciousness of the UK population when they chose which way to vote in the referendum, I believe they voted for their own futures and immigration was the deciding factor for many, it certainly was not a vote to deliberately sabotage the lives of a minority group that no longer live in the UK.


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    roadrat
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    Perhaps the word limbo would have been better in the context of millions  but it’s hell for many thousands, even hundreds of thousands, the majority of those are families with at least one EU member who have settled in the UK, sometimes for decades.

     


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    lindal1000
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    It’s easy for people like us to say things are fine when we only have ourselves to consider. EU citizens in the UK do face an uncertain future..for individuals in that at the very least they face being fingerprinted, having to apply for leave to remain, with the knowledge that then if their kids decide to go back to their home country to study they may not be granted residence on their return..that if they need to return to their birth country to care for ageing parents then they will not necessarily be allowed back into the UK. Similarly for British people living in the EU, the future of their kids education and future is unclear. This is not fake news or project fear but as this is what the UK government outlined in their position paper. It also doesn’t seem to matter whether the EU citizen has been in the UK 40 years or 4.,if they did not become naturalised British they will be subject to the same rules..So yes you and I might not have much to worry about, but if you talk to EU citizens in the UK, especially those with children, they are worried..and what’s more they aren’t very likely to get any reassurances in the next year or two. I have several friends who I worked with in the UK. One colleague is Portuguese and lives in London with her Danish husband. She worked in the NHS for 25 years and will be entitled to an NHS and UK state pension. Her husband has a frail mother in Denmark and he goes back several times a year for long periods to care for her. They don’t know whether they will meet the criteria for residence after brexit. Now they are both quite wealthy so that cushions them from the worst effects, but nevertheless of course they are anxious about whether they will be able to continue living in the UK as a couple in future.


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    Chanceux
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    Yes Limbo, I agree.

    I dont think those that voted out would have considered the implications for a Portuguese worker and his family any more than they would have a British family in France, Spain or Portugal.

    I doubt that people who voted remain would have been thinking primarily of them either.

    Limbo and uncertainty is what swept the rug out from under my feet on two occasions in the past when I was on the cusp of hitting the big time, big time :lol: Nowadays I never count anything as a loss unless I have earned it, had it and it has subsequently been stolen from me.


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    <p abp=”616″>The dicussion you recall was not the distastefull comment referred to which should be consigned to room 101. It was said at the time when many were in shock and saying or repeating outrageous things.

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    <p abp=”619″>Au royaume des aveugles les borgnes sont rois.

    <p abp=”620″>Still waiting for GY to justify his comment though, if what you say is true it is a sad indication of how tenuous at best his arguments are. Furthermore if we’re talking about people profiteering or deliberately sabotaging the lives of others isn’t that what Brexit voters did? We are constantly being told that they all knew what they were voting for and their vote has made life hell for millions of people already. Yet you continue to cast those arguing for Brexit on this forum as the victims.

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    40K extra work and you’re still moaning? You have just said you have personally profited from Brexit … in fact you are quite proud of it. :roll:

    I don’t have to justify any comment. It is fact and there for anyone and everyone to see and, sadly, mirrors the sentiment you have just posted. :roll::roll:

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    roadrat
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    I dont think those that voted out would have considered the implications for a Portuguese worker and his family any more than they would have a British family in France, Spain or Portugal.

    But that’s the point, we are constantly told by the Brexiteers that people did know what they were voting for, which is why Brexit should be rammed through regardless of consequences and without further consultation. But if you accept that people who voted out didn’t know this, then the whole argument collapses for all the other minutary of Brexit that people and government are only just discovering.


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    roadrat
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    40K extra work and you’re still moaning? You have just said you have personally profited from Brexit … in fact you are quite proud of it. I don’t have to justify any comment. It is fact and there for anyone and everyone to see and, sadly, mirrors the sentiment you have just posted.

    If you can’t or won’t justify a comment you shouldn’t make it. The fact you referred to seems to have been some sort of trolling exercise(although we can’t tell because you haven’t backed it up), yet you’ve repeated it to try and justify your twisted agenda. Perhaps your selective memory and quoting is a function of your age, in which case my bad but if it’s simply your gerrymandering style of politics then you deserve our contempt even more than usual?

    Once more you have attempted to misquote and misrepresent what I have said, is this a natural trait in a Brexit supporter? The 40k you talk about was simply my choice to buy from a pro EU supplier rather than a Brexit supporting one. I have also said on many occasions that I see opportunities due to the Brexit process,  principally the devaluation of the pound.  I have also said I would rather not have those opportunities, but would not ignore them.  No individual or company will lose out, quite the opposite, some of my suppliers will see additional turnover that might help keep them afloat for longer in the hard times ahead.


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    lindal1000
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    My Portuguese worker was the chief executive of a London Health Authority towards the end of her career and when she draws her pension it will be considerably more than GYs I would guess :grin: She has probably paid more in taxes and charges in the UK than many people but yet, despite her 30 or so years of legal residence she was not allowed a vote in something that would ultimately decide her future. You could maybe argue that those of us who no longer live there perhaps don’t deserve a say in the future, but to take that argument to it’s natural conclusion then those who have lived there and worked there for most of their life and wish to continue surely deserved a vote? One of OH’s friends father is Spanish. He came to the UK in early 1960s and has lived there ever since. He couldn’t vote in the referendum…he is as much ‘British’ as anyone else in his part of Derbyshire but is now classed as an EU migrant by the Daily Depressed.


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    Chanceux
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    I dont think those that voted out would have considered the implications for a Portuguese worker and his family any more than they would have a British family in France, Spain or Portugal.

    But that’s the point, we are constantly told by the Brexiteers that people did know what they were voting for, which is why Brexit should be rammed through regardless of consequences and without further consultation. But if you accept that people who voted out didn’t know this, then the whole argument collapses for all the other minutary of Brexit that people and government are only just discovering.

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    Who are you arguing with? – Certainly not me, I did not say that people did not know what they were voting for, I have always avoided the polemique about false news, misrepresentation etc, I meant that when they voted, for the majority they would not have given a flying 4x for the possible future implications for Portuguese immigrants or British emigrants had they even bothered to think about it.

    I just dont get all this talk of voted to threaten our way of life or deliberately sabotaging the lives of others, the small self interest group in France would have been furthest from the thoughts of most voters on either side, the future of the UK should have been their foremost thought.

    And the bit about “we are being constantly told by Brexiteers…………., you are not talking about on this formu are you? As I see it there is currently only one putting his head above the parapet and an awfull lot of time and energy is being spent in challenging them, what is there to be gained?

    I am comfortable with the knowledge that every other person that I see in the UK may have voted differently to how I might have were I still to live there, the thought that every other contributor to this forum may have voted out or certainly more than the one who admits it does not cause me any problems.

    I certainly dont think that GY and any others voted to sabotage or threaten my way of life and I dont hold them or 52% of the voting population responsable for the hardship I am currently experiencing or for the uncertainty of my/our future.


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    lindal1000
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    Actually I don’t hold the majority of people who voted leave personally responsible for anything, but I do think the likes of Dacre, Murdoch, Farrage et al and probably a whole load of others behind the scenes are responsible for misleading the gullible.


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    grumpyaudeman
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    Life  is going to be difficult living in Europe for  British people like me , I was not allowed to vote but  accept the British vote to leave

    Times in the past were also hard .We bought a house in France and moved in 1996 at the start of purchas it was 100 francs to the pound but dropped to 85 cents  when purchased

    Since 2008 the rate of exchange has been terrible, but we live with it.  next year my Brit pension kicks in so sod it I am staying put


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    in 1996 at the start of purchas it was 100 francs to the pound

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