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    alittlebitfrench
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    @pomhorn wrote:

    Hi!

    I am afraid that many French are victim of a cliché – all this because many are badly or poorly informed.

    This exist even at level of GP!

    Which French say that ?

    Sometimes I get the feeling that British people living in France are paraniod ?

    I bet those on the Portugesse version of this website dont suffer the same paranoia.


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    lindal1000
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    Pomhorn does and I think he is French! :lol:


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    maconion
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    Not really.


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    mangetout
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    @alittlebitfrench wrote:

    @pomhorn wrote:

    Hi!

    I am afraid that many French are victim of a cliché – all this because many are badly or poorly informed.

    This exist even at level of GP!

    Which French say that ?

    Sometimes I get the feeling that British people living in France are paraniod ?

    I bet those on the Portugesse version of this website dont suffer the same paranoia.

    I hope I’m not paranoid. I’ve lived here for many years and have been very happy. It’s just that of late there seem to be more people who are unhappy with having foreigners in their midst. Maybe just a coincidence rather than a trend. It was a genuine question to ask if people are experiencing aggression. If you look at places like Greece, where organisations like Golden Dawn have become out of control, it’s always a good thing to be aware of what’s going on around you. Not that I am suggesting for one moment that anything like that is happening in France.


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    chapelton
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    I’ve no idea if they are becoming aggressive. I do know however that in a town not far from here some Brits don’t have a very good reputation and it has affected the way other Brits are treated by the locals. Also where OH lives, small commune, a Brit couple have moved in. Since arriving they have had an argument with the Maire over boundaries telling him that no way will he tell them what to do, it’s their property etc….. I walk the dogs past their house and even from quite a long way away you can hear their music blaring. They don’t respect the ways of the commune i.e. not cutting grass on Sunday/lunchtime etc…
    I had occasion to go to the local hospital. The consultant I saw said that in general the medical staff get p’d off with incomers not learning the language and expecting the staff to speak English. Upon arriving here I registered with an English speaking doctor as my French was basic however as soon as she knew I was attending French classes she refused to speak in English unless I was unable to understand what she was telling me. That was 7 years ago. I personally haven’t experienced any anti-foreign hostility but with the attitude of some Brits I’m not surprised it happens.


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    mangetout
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    @chapelton wrote:

    I’ve no idea if they are becoming aggressive. I do know however that in a town not far from here some Brits don’t have a very good reputation and it has affected the way other Brits are treated by the locals. Also where OH lives, small commune, a Brit couple have moved in. Since arriving they have had an argument with the Maire over boundaries telling him that no way will he tell them what to do, it’s their property etc….. I walk the dogs past their house and even from quite a long way away you can hear their music blaring. They don’t respect the ways of the commune i.e. not cutting grass on Sunday/lunchtime etc…
    I had occasion to go to the local hospital. The consultant I saw said that in general the medical staff get p’d off with incomers not learning the language and expecting the staff to speak English. Upon arriving here I registered with an English speaking doctor as my French was basic however as soon as she knew I was attending French classes she refused to speak in English unless I was unable to understand what she was telling me. That was 7 years ago. I personally haven’t experienced any anti-foreign hostility but with the attitude of some Brits I’m not surprised it happens.

    You could well be right. We too have a doctor who speaks English but although we spoke no French on arriving, we quickly learnt he has never spoken English to us since. I do however know Brits who will only speak English and I agree it must be very annoying for French people to experience that level of arrogance. But my recent experiences of rudeness where when I was speaking French. I’d be the first to accept that my French is not perfect but most people understand me and I NEVER speak English to a French person. That was why I was wondering if acceptance of foreigners was shifting.


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    We were recently in the company of a couple whose main residence is in a city about an hour from OH’s commune. They(city) are having problems with mainly Turks and Romas but also some Brits.
    It could well have been that the hospital staff you encountered had had previous problems with Brits. I have seen some appalling behaviour by Brits who can’t speak the language.
    I did once go into a chemist for soluble Paracetamol and asked for it in French. It was a young girl who served me and even though I repeated myself twice she shrugged her shoulders and brought the pharmacist out from the back. I said the exact same thing to him and he reached behind to get it – go figure;)


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    I wonder Chapelton if it is sometimes our accent, as I have experienced the same in a chemist.
    When I worked in Scotland there were a couple of co-workers who were speaking perfect english but I could not understand a word they said due to the very strong accent.
    I think my spoken french can be the same to some people.
    Neville


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    I still think that you are all being paranoid.

    Maybe life is different in areas where there are a lot of Brits, but to be honest the behaviour your describing /experiencing is no different to that which French people and other nationalities experience (in some places ect) on a day to day basis. Its the way it is in France.

    We could be talking about La Poste or SNCF its the same. If you keep second guessing the person in front of you in terms of what you think they believe, feel ect. You will go mad.

    Its the personality of that given individual not their nationallity. Same as the UK.

    P.s..admittedly, some Brits from the stories I have read, are not helping themselves and others, but lets be clear they would not fit in anywhere on the planet.


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    @neville wrote:

    I wonder Chapelton if it is sometimes our accent, as I have experienced the same in a chemist.
    When I worked in Scotland there were a couple of co-workers who were speaking perfect english but I could not understand a word they said due to the very strong accent.
    I think my spoken french can be the same to some people.
    Neville

    We were recently in a restaurant and next to our table were a couple of Americans. The other side was a table of Brits from the north of England. The Americans could not understand the Brits from the north no matter how hard they tried. I guess some people can tune into accents better than others. So I agree Neville, our accents can be confusing for some.


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    @alittlebitfrench wrote:

    I still think that you are all being paranoid.

    Maybe life is different in areas where there are a lot of Brits, but to be honest the behaviour your describing /experiencing is no different to that which French people and other nationalities experience (in some places ect) on a day to day basis. Its the way it is in France.

    We could be talking about La Poste or SNCF its the same. If you keep second guessing the person in front of you in terms of what you think they believe, feel ect. You will go mad.

    Its the personality of that given individual not their nationallity. Same as the UK.

    P.s..admittedly, some Brits from the stories I have read, are not helping themselves and others, but lets be clear they would not fit in anywhere on the planet.

    Sorry to harp on, but I am not paranoid, nor is anyone else showing the classic symtoms of paranoia, ie unjustified fear or anxiety about a situation. The question I posed was a real one. I was just wondering if the FN was having any impact on the average french psyche. It would appear that the answer is no according to the respondents on this forum, so all is well!


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    @grumpyyorkie wrote:

    We’ve had a couple of such instances, but the overwhelming reception by the French has been warm and welcoming.

    Same experience for me. I can count about 2-3 overheard comments in 10 years, never directed at me (so far) I agree with GrumpyYorkie that you are bound to run into these “geniuses” wherever you go.


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    lol Mangetout, are you living in the South of France? I’ve just spent a week staying with staunch FN supporters from Aixe en Provence (they are the parents of our French friends who we’ve been on holiday with). They spent most evenings telling us how awful things are now in France with so many foreigners, and if MLP gets in, they’ll all be chucked out, and good riddance. Nice. We tried to discuss/debate/argue with them but it was pretty hopeless. According to them all the Arabs on the streets of Marseilles wander about wth Kalashnikovs, robbing white folks. They never go to Marseilles due to this problem so haven’t seen it first hand, but their friends tell them it’s so….

    They were really nice generous people (the wife is half Moroccan ;-)); they shared their house, ancient wine, and food with us and told us the best places to visit…But, as soon as the sun went down and the wine was flowing, they both turned into raving racists, and even interogated us as to the source of our income, where we paid our taxes, and who paid for our healthcare….and told us to make the most of life here as we’d have to sell up and go home soon!!

    I’d hate to be in a room full of them…


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    That is positively nasty. I’m afraid I could never visit let alone dine with such people ever again with that view and attitude towards non-french folks. Unless the EU folds,people have the right to live here unless they are designated undesirable by the state but I think people are beginning to worry over MLP and the increase in supporters.


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    @thomas16 wrote:

    lol Mangetout, are you living in the South of France? I’ve just spent a week staying with staunch FN supporters from Aixe en Provence (they are the parents of our French friends who we’ve been on holiday with). They spent most evenings telling us how awful things are now in France with so many foreigners, and if MLP gets in, they’ll all be chucked out, and good riddance. Nice. We tried to discuss/debate/argue with them but it was pretty hopeless. According to them all the Arabs on the streets of Marseilles wander about wth Kalashnikovs, robbing white folks. They never go to Marseilles due to this problem so haven’t seen it first hand, but their friends tell them it’s so….

    They were really nice generous people (the wife is half Moroccan ;-)); they shared their house, ancient wine, and food with us and told us the best places to visit…But, as soon as the sun went down and the wine was flowing, they both turned into raving racists, and even interogated us as to the source of our income, where we paid our taxes, and who paid for our healthcare….and told us to make the most of life here as we’d have to sell up and go home soon!!

    I’d hate to be in a room full of them…

    Unfortunately excess alcohol brings out the worst in people, but it has to be there to start with. My father was a good looking chap, loved by everyone who met him. But once drunk he used to beat the living daylights out of my mother.


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