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    thomas16
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    It was a real eye opener for us as we tend to live in a nice comfortable bubble in our commune (1 FN voter here, but I wonder if that will change next time), without really being aware of what goes on in the outside world although we get the papers, have French TV and radio. It was obvious, from listening to them and their neighbours talking that their opinions are pretty widespread, and I’m really not surprised that the FN did so well in the regionals in the Var..

    Clover, it will definitely be a one off. We are great friends with their son and daughter in law who didn’t share their parents views; they were very apologetic..


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    sprogster
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    It differs from region to region and if you live in an FNP stronghold area, such as the South of France, then it is hardly surprising if you come across racist anti-foreigner sentiment.
    The worrying thing is that as the French economy continues to deteriorate and unemployment rises, the anti-foreigner sentiment is bound to become more prevalent, as history tells us and keeps repeating itself.


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    sheridan
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    Location: Haute Savoie 74
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    I have lived in many areas of France and have always met with kindness, whether from private individuals or public servants but I don’t doubt there are just as many unpleasant people here as in any other country. When my daughter was taken ill while visiting me in Aude, she received superb treatment, including a helicopter transfer from my remote mountain home to Carcassonne hospital.
    When my other daughter was seriously damaged by a surgeon in England, we met nothing but lies and delays – it took seven years to get a settlement. Swings and roundabouts, I guess.


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    roadrat
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    This fits in with my experience on the telephone. I’ve been dealing with French customers for years on the phone and while I would occasionally sense some resistance to me being foreign (I’m told I sound a bit like the Chinese speaking French rather than British on the phone), generally I have had no problems. However in the last few months I have noticed a big increase in customers demanding to know where I am, before the conversation has really even started. I can turn most of them round with some pleasantries, but it seem there is some patriotism/xenophobia building up.


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    bubbles1
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    I have never experienced it since living here, certainly never in any health care situation. I would say that a couple of years ago I went in to hospital to have a small op on my hand. My arm was frozen so I was awake and chatting to some of the team in the theatre. Once they realised that my French was okayish and I didnt try to speak Engish to them, they started talking English to me. One of them said that they get really fed up with people (he didnt say English) who live here and dont try to speak the language. The had a chap in the day before me who had lived here over 20 years and could (or would) only say bonjour, oui, non and merci in French. If that was in the UK you would be pretty pissed off as well wouldnt you!!!!!!!


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    CelticRambler
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    @clover wrote:

    … but I think people are beginning to worry over MLP and the increase in supporters.

    Not worrying nearly enough. Those that I’ve spoken (or listened) to, in this typically gauche-droit-can’t-really-decide area, brush off the threat saying “it’ll never happen” and go back to attacking their droit-gauche-nothing-ever-changes enemy. But the feeling amongst the younger generation is feck the old school, left and right alike.

    The senior politicians and senior voters will carry on as before, split the moderate vote into tiny pieces, if they turn out at all, and the unified younger bloc will turn out and carry the FN to a record number of second round fun-offs at least.


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    mysty2
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    I have not read through all the posts, have been here 20 plus years and lived throughout France. Have never come across any real hatred or aggressive French people, have met the odd racist and ignorant ones but you would get that in any country. People are finding things tough just now so it may well be looking for someone to blame. A few years back when the Limousin was jumping with Brits you used to hear locals saying the English are rich they do not need to work, which was tosh. The Jews used to get the blame here, if France is not careful it will be the non whites and Muslims who get the blame next. Its always somebody elses fault.


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    wafty
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    @mysty2 wrote:

    I have not read through all the posts, have been here 20 plus years and lived throughout France. Have never come across any real hatred or aggressive French people, have met the odd racist and ignorant ones but you would get that in any country. People are finding things tough just now so it may well be looking for someone to blame. A few years back when the Limousin was jumping with Brits you used to hear locals saying the English are rich they do not need to work, which was tosh. The Jews used to get the blame here, if France is not careful it will be the non whites and Muslims who get the blame next. Its always somebody elses fault.

    Care to expand on that?


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    mysty2
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    In answer to wafty.

    Have you not noticed how many towns have a rue des deportes. This was nothing new in France, see below.

    Confiscation of Jewish Assets

    Gerald D. Feldman

    These papers highlight a number of key aspects of the confiscation process. They focus on the seizure of private property such as bank accounts, securities, real estate, household items, and books, as distinct from the so-called Aryanization of businesses. Through a combination of special taxes, blocked accounts, and confiscatory decrees Jews were progressively robbed of their entire private means. Particularly impressive and equally disturbing is the robbers’ effort to ensure that property confiscation was carried out by “legal” means through a vast array of institutions and organizations set up for this purpose. The immensely bureaucratic nature of the confiscation process emerges from the vast archival trail that has survived. Arguments that no one knew about the Jews’ fate become untenable once it is clear how many people were involved in processing their property. “Legal” measures often masked theft, but blatant robbery and extortion through intimidation and physical assault were also commonplace.”


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    sprogster
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    Getting back to the OP, the majority of Brits living full time in France are retirees and have their health care paid for by the UK under the S1 arrangement, something I would have thought most French are totally unaware of. (The number of Brits actually working in France is surprisingly small according to official stats.)
    As for the language issue, most Brits the French come across in France are going to be holidaymakers and second home owners, so expecting them to be fluent in French is unrealistic.
    Ironically, French tourists abroad have one of the worst reputations internationally for being rude and arrogant and expecting everyone outside France to understand and speak French.
    The feedback I have got over the years from my French bank and various trades people I have dealt with, is that they would far rather deal with a Brit, as we are seen in the main as polite and appreciative, whereas their countrymen are often rude, over demanding and complain!


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    pitway
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    @mysty2 wrote:

    I have not read through all the posts, have been here 20 plus years and lived throughout France. Have never come across any real hatred or aggressive French people, have met the odd racist and ignorant ones but you would get that in any country. People are finding things tough just now so it may well be looking for someone to blame. A few years back when the Limousin was jumping with Brits you used to hear locals saying the English are rich they do not need to work, which was tosh. The Jews used to get the blame here, if France is not careful it will be the non whites and Muslims who get the blame next. Its always somebody elses fault.

    Already happening judging by the conversation in the works canteen yesterday, apparently they move over here sponge off the system and are lazy bastards! along those lines anyway, mind you one or two of the french locals got pasted with the same brush too so at least there was a bit of balance!!


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    joinfrance
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    Apropos of the hospital. I too was in an emergency department with my sick child and received awful treatment – in the USA, not in France, so it definitely wasn’t the language! I’ve never had a problem here.
    However, I have noticed an increase in the number of slightly ‘off’ comments. They used to be reserved to fonctionneurs, but a couple of weeks ago, at dinner with friends, I was asked ‘why don’t you go home?’ and spent a long time explaining that I was home, that health care in the UK was NOT exorbitantly expensive, and that I paid more here, AND that I paid my taxes here. The people I was with were genuinely surprised. They are really convinced that people come here to scrounge! THis attitude seems more prevalent than it was, and I have noticed more articles in the media slanted in this way. My french is fine by the way, and my Liverpool accent is not strong. Even my Italian friend, who used to be much more accepting, now rants a bit about immigrants in Italy. The common concept is just that; migrants go to other countries to jump the queue, claim benefits and live a life of luxury without paying for it. It is worrying: after all, we know what happens if this sort of mass hysteria continues…..


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    joeblck
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    People from the Morvan, the region here with hills and forests in central Burgundy, have a strong reputation for being difficult with foreigners. But their idea of foreigners includes everyone who is not Morvandiau by both birth and blood.

    Tom


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    jsks
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    If you look for rudeness and anti-foreign attitudes you will find them. People see what they want, expect or have been conditioned to see.

    For example, my MIL insists that all Germans are fat. When she visited us she would ignore the quite obvious fact that the German people in our area of Nordrhein-Westfalen were quite trim – certainly trimmer than the average Brit in Sh!ttown, UK. Yet if she spotted a corpulent person she’d say ”See, all Germans are fat”.

    What is more worrying is that while individuals may be charming etc, the rise of co-ordinated fascism in the form of the FN seems to transcend the natural decency of individuals. There’s a great line in Men in Black ”A person is intelligent, people are stupid”.

    I think the only way to have a settled life is to expect the best but prepare for the worst – let someone prove they are aggressive before assuming that they are.

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