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    jackthelad
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    Location: la Baule 44
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    SO are they legal in France ??

    I beleive the X10 system, which is similar, isnt approved in France. But I may be incorrectly informed

    hers a link to an article.

    a mate has the x10 in his home and works fine

    http://www.digitalhomemag.com/customins … ting.shtml

    just found this site, so i correct myself :D:D

    http://www.domadoo.fr/Produits-21-Contrôleurs.htm

    So if they supply them in france maybe legal.

    Jack :P:P:P:D:D


    #778085
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    damnager
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    Location: London & soon to be Gorre 87
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    Hi Jack,
    X10 gear is available in France through Dominvar, i checked with the manufacturer in Belgium (though they are made somewhere else) that they are in fact CE compliant.

    I am looking forward to using these when i get to the electrics stage of our build in France.

    http://www.domavenir.com/boutique/

    HTH, Regards

    Keith


    Our build has started but it is very slow work :-(

    #778086
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    marcraf
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    Location: Dordogne
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    Hi,

    All of these RF products are approved in France.
    X10 (ditto X25) is very rarely used in the UK now due to potential conflicts with other technologies that use similar transmission methods.
    As a general rule ANY product which has an ‘EN’ number can be used with confidence througout Europe.
    EN means European Norm. You will find many profducts that have a BS/EN number which is fine. However, you will also find numerous products that have ONLY a BS numnber such as BS1363-2 which is the standard for UK sockets & therefore cannot legally be used in France for compliance with insurance requirements for example.
    As for CE, quite frankly this is almost a worthless ‘approval’ as just about any manufacturer can self certify as long as a technical file is kept.
    In summary, if it has a BS/EN or EN number then all OK.
    Hope that helps,

    Marc.

    #778087
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    marcraf
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    PS: just a footnote re CE marking as my comment ‘worthless approval’ was a little unfair.
    CE generally means “Conformité Européene” & can apply to many products from electrical items to cuddly toys.
    However, for Low Voltage electrical items (50-1000VAC) these are generally assesed as ‘Greater Risk’ so irresepctive of CE marking should have an EN (or other accepted) standard to comply with the electrical requirements for the particular country in question.

    Marc.

    #778088
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    jackthelad
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    @marcraf wrote:

    Hi,

    All of these RF products are approved in France.
    X10 (ditto X25) is very rarely used in the UK now due to potential conflicts with other technologies Marc.

    never heard that there where issues with conflicts before, would you include the likes of Rako, ulti, lutron stuff


    #778089
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    marcraf
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    Hi,
    No would not necessarily include some of the other manufacturers products you note (have not heard of them all).
    Rako utilise a lot of IR & RS232 devices as do Lutron but remember Lutron is principally a USA company whose regulations differ dramatically from Europe (which does not mean they do not always comply).
    Difficult to comment as its ‘horses for courses’ & we are not comparing ‘apples with apples’.

    However, it is true to say that most of my experience is from commercial consultancy work where certain technologies are not just uncommon, but forbidden in some installations, i.e. hospitals where harmonics can disrupt other devices.

    Guess you just have to use whatever is best for the job & use the system / technology you know best & feel comfortable with.

    Marc

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    watkins
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    Location: Lalinde 24150 Dordogne
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    Why have I found that some wires coming out of the ceiling have an earth and others in another part of the property don’t. I have also some ceiling fittings with nib to connect an earth wire and others without. Is it dangerous to connect a ceiling or wall light without having an earth facility ?
    Regards


    #778091
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    gsman
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    Location: 37 Descartes & offshore haven
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    I’ve always been disappointed by the quality of french domestic electrical fittings and the need to hold a socket whilst withdrawing the plug. Flimsy isn’t an adequate enough word!

    I’m back in the UK at the moment looking at MK’s new catalogue and see that french / belgian standard (CEE 7/7) sockets are available from this quality uk manufacturer for the first time. At the moment only the modular sockets fitting faceplates to the UK 2 gang galvanised boxes are available. If anyone wants to look at their website its http://www.mkelectric.co.uk and the part nulmbers are
    K5831WHI
    K184WHI

    Although MK say the sockets are to NF C61:341 do any professional electricians here have any thoughts on the legality of installing the UK type galvanised flush fitting box behing these NF approved sockets?

    Jon
    Descartes
    (Qualifications : enthusiasic amateur)


    #778092
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    peake
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    Location: Plouasne, Dept 22 & abit further East than Jennie
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    The socket outlet you are quoteing is not the French socket outlet, also I donot know how long you have been away from France all socket and switch have to be fixed with screws, the socket outlets and switches fixed with Griefs have been baned for about the last 6 years

    By fitting a metal box how are you going to fit the gaine into the box, you could also liven up the box if a live cable chaffed on the metal, all boxes I have seen in France have been plastic


    #778093
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    gsman
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    Thanks Peake your correct – that’s the german shuko. I slipped a line in the catalogue and it should read K5834WHI. Have another look.

    As for fitting the gaine, well all UK type boxes have 20mm knockouts that the gain could go through. The box is connected to the cpc (earth) conductor on the socket so if it became live it would only be for a very short time before the mcb did it job. The sockets are fixed by two m3.5 screws to the metal box as in the UK.

    Mechanically they seem much much better than the Legrand etc you see in France but I wouldn’t want to install 20 only to be told by EDF that they didn’t comply….

    Jon

    ps only been away from France a fortnight :D


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    previous_webmaster
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    Just as a follow up, I wanted to recommend another book from the same publishing house as L’installation électrique.
    It’s called Dépannages et rénovations électriques comme un pro and is particularly useful for tracing faults in circuits and equipment. Lots of easy-to-follow illustrations accompany the text.

    It’s available from DIY sheds, or from the website at http://www.eyerolles.com


    #778096
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    euge
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    Hello to all
    I would like to ask some advice from those who know about electrical installation in a new house. I have tried to buy L’installation electrique (ISBN 2-212-11431-1 on amazons French version & from eyrolles.com, but after I press the buy button it seems to offer me a load of other books and I can’t understand enough French to risk continuing (if anyone has a copy they want to get rid of I will be happy to buy.

    Questions about electrics in a new build.
    1) What are the minimum amounts of power points, lights, phone sockets, TV aerial points for each room?
    2) How many lights can I have on one fuse (I assume I run a 1.5mm wire to a loft or under floor junction box and feed a few lights from there, when that’s full I do another).
    (a) How far up the wall must they be fitter.
    (b) How far from a door opening must they be fitted
    3) How many power sockets can I have on one fuse (I assume I run a 2.5mm wire to a junction box and feed a few lights from there, when that’s full I do another).
    (a) How far from the floor must they be fitter.
    (b) Are there any other restrictions to where I can fit a power point?
    (c) Do two power point’s together count as one on a fuse count?
    4) I’m assuming I can loop all phone sockets and aerial sockets from one central point.
    5) I’ve read that Cookers have a 32amp fuse (this is oven and hob sharing the same point), washing machines, fridges, water heaters & dish washers are on separately dedicated 20amp fuses.
    6) What fuse and cable must I put to feed whatever runs a normal swimming pool?
    7) Is it a 1.5mm or a 2.5mm wire to run an extractor fan from a bathroom
    (a) Is there a special fan that turns on with the light switch, if so what would I ask for when buying?
    (b) Any idea on extractor fans to room size?

    I know this all is much to ask & that there will be those who would say get an electrician, But I am building my house and would like to do MOST everything I believe I’m capable of doing. So far foundations and slab are in, walls are up, roof is on, windows in, joists and flooring laid, upstairs ceiling screwed, up and down internal walls are build (with doors fitted to upstairs). Foss and filtration dug, installed and passed.

    If anyone needs some idea on how to do what has been done so far, (if your building for yourself or just need to understand what you might be asking from a contractor), I am not an expert, but have suffered at the hands of some cowboys to the extent that I’ve got rid of them very early in the job and have practically build this 345m2 house and garage so far myself. There have been a few errors which I pulled down and rebuilt (but the cost of those few errors was not expensive in comparison to risking of being landed with the many cowboys both English and French).

    Further, I have negotiated the cost of many building materials down to as much as a 50% discount from the original asking price and can produce paperwork to prove it (nothing special about this, just the cheek to ask and get the builders merchants competing for you business).

    Need to know about the electrics so any knowledgeable help would be gratefully received.

    Electrics and Plumbing seem to be next before I fit the plaster boards to the inside of the external walls (unless you tell me differently).

    Regards

    Euge

    Please feel free to e-mail me regarding this matter if you want


    #778097
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    gsman
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    Euge re 4)

    Current thinking is to buy a multiswitch for £100 ish and feed in satellite, DAB, FM and terrestrial. You then get up to 24 outputs which carry all of these inputs. I am putting an outlet in each room which will carry all these services.

    You need a quattro LNB on the dish (NOT a quad LNB) and all outlets must be run in very good quality coax such as CT100 (see earlier threads).


    #778098
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    enzo
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    Not sure if this the right place for this as it is quite a simple question, (especially if you know the answer! :oops: ) I have just had new pendant lights fitted from my local Bricomarche, only to discover that the bit you attach the shade to is fatter than the UK ones and my shades don’t fit! Rather than change the whole lot is it acceptable to fit UK bits to the end of the flexes to attach my lampshades to? :?


    Love all, trust a few, do harm to no-one.

    #778099
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    mandrake
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    Easy solution Ikea Uk sell rings/washers which mean UK shades will fit continental rings.

    Unless you are having a CONSUEL inspection then swoping should not be a problem. However if the house burns down as a result the insurance company if they find proof may seek to avoid liability. I cannot see how or why it should but every time the issue is mentioned somebody posts.


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