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    Daivide
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    Looks like I can only reply, no new topic.


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    robertarthur
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    Daivide, this is a topic. One step back to “French Electrical & Other Building Issues”, bottom of the page: Create new topic.


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    What’s new? Amendement 5 to the French electrical code NFC 15-100 has been published 30/6/2015. After the government promises of a simplification of the construction regs – to get things moving there is now a special committee – the AFNOR / UTE guys just continued doing what they have done for many years: step by step upgrades. You can buy your personal copy in the AFNOR boutique, only € 150.50. Or read it online, impossible to print or do something clever with printscreen utilities. Inscription needed and a recent version of Acrobat Reader plus a plug-in by the name of File Open. For some or other reason their website had problems when trying to “consulter” this new amendement A5. This afternoon the skies cleared and I had a look at the 120 pages now available: the 10-inch screensize of my netbook was not very helpful. Only a few remarks.

    New regs for the volumes in the salle d’eau, liaison équipotentielle, max number of sockets (12 for 2.5mm² wiring), max of 8 disjoncteurs for an Interrupteur Différentiel, changes in the circuits specialisés, clarification about wiring size from AGCP to distribution board and much more. The communication network is still there. And the GTL has been embedded in a more general concept called ETEL: Espace Technique du Logement. I’m afraid this is typical French: the GTL concept can only be O.K. if there is a firm (?) foundation in some sort of philosophy.

    Voluntary compliance till the end of this year. Obligatoire in 2016, if the competent minister signs a décret.

    To my surprise no announcement so far from Promotelec: here is our new edition of Locaux d’habitation. Last year they skipped their usual annual update because of the announced simplification. The 2013 edition is still available in their bookshop.


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    mikej
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    RA do you have a link to the on line document? The link above is only an announcement of publication.

    Thanks
    Mike


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    • This reply was modified 16 Jul 2015 08:48 by  mikej.
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    robertarthur
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    Mike,

    In my first link to the press release of the AFNOR organisation you will find another one, bottom of te page, ignore the suggestion (commander) that you are going to buy this amendement 5.

    Commander l’amendement NF C15-100/A5 « Installations électriques à basse tension »……

    Install File Open first, next step inscription on their website (email etc.), go to the bookshop, don’t pay a penny, go to consulter and follow instructions. One-hundred-and-twenty pages of decoding pleasure. And two chapters still open, more to come.

    They succeeded in reorganising the information, but the language of regulations, rewritten by the original authors, never gets close to easy reading. Real soon now, I do hope, a new edition of Locaux d’habitation.


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    Because Promotelec’s website in their recent press releases (actualités) only mentions one of their new labels (Découvrez le Label Promotelec Habitat Neuf, 12/05/2015) and some Oscar awards in the electrical domain (Trophées Promotelec 2015 : les 12 nommés dévoilés, 10/07/2015) and nothing about this new Amendement 5 or a new edition of their summary of the French electrical code, I’ve just phoned them.

    Answer: a new edition of Locaux d’habitation early next year. In other words: the fight about the simplification of the French electrical code continues and Promotelec (and others) are not going to publish anything in print until everything has been agreed, signed, sealed and delivered.


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    The three major players on this market have published their updated introductions to the French electrical code. From now on – November 27 2015 –  the new amendement 5 is there to stay for some years. For new builds and  major renovations. For still unfinished projects read this Consuel info, old regs or new regs to get an attestation. Existing installations have to comply with the regs in force in the year of construction.

    Legrand

    Hager

    Schneider

    Promotelec has also a summary available.

    AFNOR would appreciate it if you order the original version of this new Amendement 5. For almost 165  euros (HT) it is yours. Another option: reading online  without downloading or printing options. Click “consulter and follow instructions.


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    Wet snow trying to get into the house without success. An e-mail this morning from the French magazine SystèmeD was more successful. They made a nice summary of all their articles about the tableau électrique. 


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    Gone are the days of the electrician’s best friend, the little red bible of Promotelec, the little mémento rouge. Promotelec announced a new series called: L’Officiel de l’électricité. Later this year two additional volumes. In September: “Installations électriques des bâtiments d’habitation existants”. And in November: “Installations électriques des bâtiments tertiaires”.

    The old little red bible, Locaux d’habitation, used to be affordable with its 18.50 euros, the new one goes for 47.50 euros (TTC).


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    Another update. I got the impression reading the announcement by Promotelec for their brandnew “Officiel de l’électricité” that this would be the end of our little red friend, “Locaux d’habitation”. I got it wrong with my interpretation of their not so crystal clear message: ” Surtout, il vient remplacer la “Bible” de l’électricien, le mémento rouge relatif aux installations électriques privatives dans les locaux d’habitation.”

    There is finally a new 28th edition after three years, for sale right now. In their preview a clarification about three-phase wiring and the use of RCDs. The special interrupteur différentiel tétrapolaire only for real three-phase equipment, the rest behind regular single-phase IDs.

    As for the other book, “Officiel de l’électricité” we’ll have to wait until June this year. You can only pre-order it. Promotelec wants to be able to include possible new changes of the regs when they start printing. This is what Promotelec has to say:

    Remplissez le formulaire en ligne pour réserver votre ouvrage.
    Promotelec vous recontactera à l’approche de la sortie de l’ouvrage pour concrétiser votre commande.

    * sous réserve de parution de textes réglementaires en attente.


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    Finally available, l’Officiel de l’Electricité, almost everything an electrician needs to know about the French regs. The 500 pages are probably a bit of an overkill for the DIY, see this summary. But with it’s many illustrations it will make life not easier for Thierry Gallauziaux and David Fedullo to update their “bible” “L’installation électrique” (4th edition, 2012) to number 5.


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    Chanceux
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    Not a bad price for 500 pages, I think I will order one.


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    Thierry and David already did an update in June this year: their “Le grand livre de l’électricité” is now available in it’s 4th edition. Looking at the preview pages it starts with a back to school crash course, what’s the difference between AC and DC current etc. So the electricians and the experienced DIYs will probably prefer the hard facts of French electrical life, all these regs. Interesting marketing question for the Eyrolles publishing company: where to position the next version of “l’Installation électrique”?


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    Most interesting thread


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    To keep you informed, une promesse tenue:  the curtain now has really fallen on the 28th edition of “Locaux d’habitation”. For sale from april this year until a few weeks ago. Used to be such a nice booklet.  And nothing left in stock Promotelec told me. The updated content you’ll find in “L’Officiel de l’électricité“,  the 172 pages of chapter 3 “Installations électriques des parties privatives”.


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