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    plog
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    Pommehomme

    But that xenophobia could become more insidious yet. Yesterday I was speaking with someone in the UK who, I know, voted to leave the EU. Our conversation touched upon the ‘immigration’ issue. She hastened to explain to me that it wasn’t foreigners, per se….

    Don’t tell me, I bet somewhere in the preamble was “I’m not racist but…..” I’m sure I’m not the only one to have I heard that a few times post the vote, and frighteningly not from White van man, or woman, but quite often from well educated and well travelled professionals….who think nothing of jetting off to jolly old Europe for a few days in the sun or on the ski slopes…personally I hope a special place in Border control is reserved for them…

    I have no doubt the xenophobia was bubbling under for a while but the out vote “”legitimised ” a open display of behaviour, opinions and use of language that wasn’t acceptable prior to the vote…and the comments coming out of this week’s Tory part conference have not helped one bit.


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    I wonder how long it will be before a ‘New Conservative’ adherent remarks idly: ‘Maybe Enoch wasn’t entirely wrong …..’?


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    You are, I fear, out of touch with an alarming proportion of ‘mainstream’ England, I fear, andy72. The brexit vote seems to have legitimised the xenophobic views that, for decades, have simmered just below the surface. And those views are, I fear, gaining credence and acceptance. And if, as I suspect, the UK slides into economic depression, xenophobia – and all its equally unpalatable brethren – will become more widely and readily accepted. Those who feel disadvantaged and become impoverished will want someone to blame and foreigners will, inevitably, become their scapegoats. But that xenophobia could become more insidious yet. Yesterday I was speaking with someone in the UK who, I know, voted to leave the EU. Our conversation touched upon the ‘immigration’ issue. She hastened to explain to me that it wasn’t foreigners, per se, that she disliked and it wasn’t all foreigners that she wanted ‘sent home’. She told me that she had no problem with Americans, Australians and New Zealanders because ‘they look like us and speak our language’. At that point I made my excuses and concluded our conversation

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    17 million voted to leave. I do not believe that they were all xenophobic, yes many are but at their height  UKIP only attracted 4 million voters and the UK adult population is around 45 million. By 2020 a few hundred thousand of the xenophobes will be no more and there will be a few hundred thousand more younger voters who see the future differently.


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    A minority of leavers voted on the basis of immigration. Just as minority voted for the NHS and another for fishing quotas etc. etc. My father in law voted out because the EU banned his favorite sheep dip.  All these individual issues combined equaled a majority. That’s what the country is up against.


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    I know several well educated people with young children who voted leave for their children’s future education needs. They believe that immigrants are taking all the ‘good’ school places in the local area. The fact that there are very few immigrants in their local area has nothing to do with the reality of the situation – it’s xenophobia at best and probably racist views TBH. But we can’t go there.

    I think the majority vote was xenophobia based and media fueled – nothing new there.


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    I think the majority vote was xenophobia based and media fueled – nothing new there.

    Sadly Dan I agree. You just need to scratch the surface/catch some individuals after a couple of beers and the pretence that their Brexit vote was only about control or sovereignty disappears. On occasions it has actually almost been frightening…..
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    I don’t have, these days, a wide circle of UK resident contacts. Thus I don’t pretend that the views I hear expressed are necessarily representative of the whole UK population. However I think it safe to say that those I do know, and with whom I do speak, are – or should I say were? – not those who I’d expect to espouse views that would not sound out of place at a BNP gathering. But since the UK vote to leave the EU, I am hearing such views expressed more and more.

    I’m inclined to think that such views haven’t just been adopted since last June. I suspect that they are views – perhaps not quite so extreme in the past – that have been held but not been expressed because they were considered socially unacceptable. Maybe this has kept them in check. But it does seem that, since the EU referendum and the vote to leave, such views have acquired a new social acceptablity and, as a result, those who did not now feel free to express them. And as the snowball rolls, the larger and more powerful it gets. And to me it seems that the ‘New Conservative’ party is putting its shoulder to the snowball and giving it a hefty shove to help it on its way.

    What worries me is that I’ve heard views expressed, on the ‘immigration’ issue, that are not confined to the nationals of other EU countries. I’ve heard views expressed that suggest rather than just stopping immigration, the UK should take steps to roll it back. I’ve heard it said that there are others in the UK, who have migrated to the country in recent decades, who shouldn’t have been allowed in because their culture is at odds with ‘Britishness’and who have adhered to their own cultures rather than adopting a ‘British culture’. I’ve heard it said that the UK should withdraw the rights of residence of such people and send them back to where they came from. In the same breath, I’ve heard such people talking about asians, muslims, caribbean africans. When I hear this, I’m very glad that no longer do I live in the UK. But that does not stop me worrying about what sort of nation Britain seems to be becoming and how that will impact upon the potential scapegoats now living there.


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    I don’t have, these days, a wide circle of UK resident contacts. Thus I don’t pretend that the views I hear expressed are necessarily representative of the whole UK population. However I think it safe to say that those I do know, and with whom I do speak, are – or should I say were? – not those who I’d expect to espouse views that would not sound out of place at a BNP gathering. But since the UK vote to leave the EU, I am hearing such views expressed more and more. I’m inclined to think that such views haven’t just been adopted since last June. I suspect that they are views – perhaps not quite so extreme in the past – that have been held but not been expressed because they were considered socially unacceptable. Maybe this has kept them in check. But it does seem that, since the EU referendum and the vote to leave, such views have acquired a new social acceptablity and, as a result, those who did not now feel free to express them. And as the snowball rolls, the larger and more powerful it gets. And to me it seems that the ‘New Conservative’ party is putting its shoulder to the snowball and giving it a hefty shove to help it on its way. What worries me is that I’ve heard views expressed, on the ‘immigration’ issue, that are not confined to the nationals of other EU countries. I’ve heard views expressed that suggest rather than just stopping immigration, the UK should take steps to roll it back. I’ve heard it said that there are others in the UK, who have migrated to the country in recent decades, who shouldn’t have been allowed in because their culture is at odds with ‘Britishness’and who have adhered to their own cultures rather than adopting a ‘British culture’. I’ve heard it said that the UK should withdraw the rights of residence of such people and send them back to where they came from. In the same breath, I’ve heard such people talking about asians, muslims, caribbean africans. When I hear this, I’m very glad that no longer do I live in the UK. But that does not stop me worrying about what sort of nation Britain seems to be becoming and how that will impact upon the potential scapegoats now living there.

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    Excellent post.  But you obviously suffer from fair-mindedness and a belief in the rights and dignity of the individual.  That’s so last year…

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    This gives you an idea of where the UK is heading.

    http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-amber-rudds-speech-echoes-mein-kampf/

    Actually I feel a bit sorry for Amber Rudd, as when you look at some of the other projects she has been involved in, in her local constituency, (working with women who are victims of domestic violence) she seems to not be as bad as her speech might lead us to believe.


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    But you obviously suffer from fair-mindedness and a belief in the rights and dignity of the individual. That’s so last year…

    Yes, I suppose that there’s a lot of the past in me. Principally 1970s Britain rather than 1930s Germany!


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    https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/eur/5552-gbp-to-eur-parity-forecast-ubs-3454

    May or May not happen.

    Speaking to one of my UK suppliers this morning, he was even talking about winding up now. Selling up his bought and paid for inventory while he can and emigrating. Scary.


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    I would like to know more about Farrage’s hedges.


    http://niftyone.wordpress.com/ 'Life is short, art long, opportunity fleeting, experience deceptive, judgement difficult'. Aphorisms Hippocrates
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    I would like to know more about Farrage’s hedges.

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    http://niftyone.wordpress.com/ ‘Life is short, art long, opportunity fleeting, experience deceptive, judgement difficult’. Aphorisms Hippocrates

    Doesn’t he have a Euro salary?  Must be a happy boy.

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    Popular and handsom

    In praise of Nigel Farage

    it is very difficult to make sense of what one reads

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage

    Apparently, H was not the only infamouse person to have one. Better have a proper gander at that.


    http://niftyone.wordpress.com/ 'Life is short, art long, opportunity fleeting, experience deceptive, judgement difficult'. Aphorisms Hippocrates
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    Well worth looking at his performances in the EU parliament on u-tube. A very clever man.
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