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    lindal1000
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    The chasse went out in convoy yesterday to hunt deer in the woods off to the right of the village. There were about 10 vehicles, mostly white vans but one or two pick up types. After about an hour six deer sauntered into our field, ate a bit of grass and then ran off into the woods in completely the opposite direction to the chasse. We were talking with our neighbour today who told us the chasse were unsuccessful! Can’t help thinking that the deer have the upper hand! Our neighbour, who is getting older but was a keen hunter said that he only goes out for an hour or so by himself now, and only when it isn’t too cold. I think in 10 years time the hunt will disband here, but I wonder what other methods they will have to use to control the deer and wild boar? I doubt they will be as harmless.


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    @carpiste wrote:

    @juglans wrote:

    Still on the subject of cruelty to animals whether by hunting or by cruel farming methods, I have seen more than one study which shows a correlation between cruelty to animals and cruelty to children. I believe it now the norm in cases where someone is convicted of animal cruelty to investigate their care of the children.

    Please do post these studies you have read.
    This is an outrageous comment to have made without showing any evidence.
    I could easily state I have read studies that show a correlation between anti-hunting and paedophilia.Not sure you would like that!
    I am not suggesting this above comment is true but trying to make a point.Please show the evidence to support your outrageous comment.

    Still waiting juglans.


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    @juglans wrote:

    And an English theologian has told that they don’t. When it comes to souls perhaps theologians have more expertise than vets.

    People believe the Bible when it suits them. In the beginning people were vegetarians but the church later changed this to accommodate the fact that most people eat meat. In the beginning people were told to love thy enemy. The church later modified this teaching to accommodate the fact that most people prefer to kill them. In the beginning man was told not to lay with another. Some churches have modified this teaching to accommodate the needs of some men. Most of what was originally taught by the Bible has been modified over the past 2000 years or so.

    Which is completely irrelevant to whether animals have souls or not. Mrs Rabbie is a vet and I can confirm that this is not a subject that is touched upon during veterinary education so the vet you quote is in no way an expert on this.

    Personally I do not believe that animals or humans have souls but that is not the subject under discussion here.


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    In this context what is a soul?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul


    http://niftyone.wordpress.com/ 'Life is short, art long, opportunity fleeting, experience deceptive, judgement difficult'. Aphorisms Hippocrates
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    Following Linda’s post above, animals may or may not have souls, but they do have an instinct for survival, and a type of intelligence to protect this.
    I read an article in the Depeche from Friday about a battue in Lot and Garonne to sort out the sanglier problem around Agen. 45 huntsmen and 10 dogs came back with nothing.
    As the paper says, the sanglier know how to hide themselves.


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    juglans
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    http://www.nspcc.org.uk/…/understandingthelinks

    just because you don’t like it or can’t cope with it doesn’t mean it is outrageous…… check out the NSPCC website among others.


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    juglans
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    That is…. The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children…………….. a good place to start

    Understanding the links: child abuse, animal abuse and domestic violence: information for professionals (PDF, 316KB)

    There is increasing research and clinical evidence which suggests that there are sometimes inter-relationships, commonly referred to as ‘links’, between the abuse of children, vulnerable adults and animals. A better understanding of these links can help to protect victims, both human and animal, and promote their welfare.


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    “As the paper says, the sanglier know how to hide themselves.”

    animals are often smarter than people but much less violent….having never declared war or shot up a high school in america


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    @juglans wrote:

    “As the paper says, the sanglier know how to hide themselves.”

    animals are often smarter than people but much less violent….having never declared war or shot up a high school in america

    I saw a film where a bunch of birds beat up on some high school kids, though.


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    The Discovery channels are full of “When Animals Attack” “Fish go Bad” etc etc.
    I’ve been bitten by a bat but have never bitten a bat !

    Spotty


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    Hitchcock.

    I have seen swallows/hirondelles attack our cat by dive bombing her and giving her a smack on the head. I’ve never seen a cat so scared of a bird.

    I think animals will go to great lengths to protect their young…. people on the other hand sometimes kill and beat theirs or go on holiday leaving the kids to fend for themselves though I admit that I have never seen the study which compares levels of child abuse among people and animals. It does exist among animals however. An adult lion will sometimes kill a young lion which he views as a potential competitor.


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    @juglans wrote:

    Hitchcock.

    No, it’s true ! :lol:

    Spotty


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    “I’ve been bitten by a bat but have never bitten a bat !”

    Don’t get your own back. You’ll win brownie points in heaven for not being vengeful.


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    There is no heaven so can do as I please :lol:

    Spotty


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    @juglans wrote:


    I have seen swallows/hirondelles attack our cat by dive bombing her and giving her a smack on the head. I’ve never seen a cat so scared of a bird.

    Sounds like a very scaredy cat.

    Our Burmese female sat in the middle of the lawn, let a swallow dive by twice to get her timing right, lifted her paw and bagged the swallow on the third pass with a casual gesture.

    By the time I got there she’d bitten its neck through.

    She definitely wasn’t hungry, just did it for fun, and to prove she could do it.

    She got a pigeon one day, but had a bit of help from her mate, who also helped in baiting the rather dimwitted bull terrier next door, so that she could jump onto his back with her claws dug in as he ran away down the lane.


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