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    sledgehammer85
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    ” I was right, May is a lying, hypocritical, arrogant idiot”

    Yup, you are right, but apart from the above she has appalling dress sense. Why this gangling lady, with dreadful posture and scrawny legs insists on wearing dresses way above her knobbly knees is a mystery to me. Today, when addressing the one or two faithful in Scotland she looked like Olive Oil.

    I understand she’s a politician, not a fashion model, but in this media-driven society what you look like is important (isn’t it Jeremy?), so do yourself a favour and get a style consultant, and not one who recommends you pose in shiny brown trousers.

    Sledge.


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    Grumpy Yorkie
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    So much bitterness ………. what’s the alternative, then?

    S.


    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a '54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ................... bloody grand!

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    jsks
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    The real surprise is that they could fill a room with Scottish Conservatives.

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    icey
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    So much bitterness ………. what’s the alternative, then?

    S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    Again with the accusation of “bitterness” :roll:


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    icey
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    The real surprise is that they could fill a room with Scottish Conservatives.

    Fake news, it was not full :grin: but I reckon they must have drafted some Tories in from somewhere else, there were some odd people there that couldn’t afford coats but were wrapped up instead in something red, white and blue….


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    Grumpy Yorkie
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    <p abp=”659″>So much bitterness ………. what’s the alternative, then?

    <p abp=”660″>S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!<p abp=”663″>

    <p abp=”664″>Again with the accusation of “bitterness” :roll:

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    <p abp=”668″>“Passion is the genesis of genius.” – Galileo

    That’s a bit rich, given your tirade against our Prime Minister, icey.

    Is it bitterness, anger, frustration?

    What solution are you seeking?

    S.


    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a '54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ................... bloody grand!

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    icey
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    <p abp=”659″>So much bitterness ………. what’s the alternative, then?

    <p abp=”660″>S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!<p abp=”663″>

    <p abp=”664″>Again with the accusation of “bitterness” :roll:

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    <p abp=”668″>“Passion is the genesis of genius.” – Galileo

    That’s a bit rich, given your tirade against our Prime Minister, icey.

    Is it bitterness, anger, frustration?

    What solution are you seeking?

    S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    :roll: I suggest you read the OP again and try to point out which part of my criticism is wrong as opposed to your usual standard response of calling others bitter, frustrated etc.

    You spectacularly failed to answer any of my posts on your thread where I detailed my opinion of the benefits of the EU. So GY, answer the points below if you can so we can all see you present us with actual facts. Mind you this below is just referring to business and my opposition to Brexit were definitely not just for those reasons alone.

    Factsheet 2 – Benefits of EU membership outweigh costs

    71% of CBI member businesses report that the UK’s membership of the EU has had an overall positive impact on their business, including 67% of SME members. Only 13% said there had been a negative impact. Overall,78% said they would vote to remain in the EU in a referendum, with 77% of SME’s taking the same position.
    A CBI literature review suggests that the net benefit of EU membership to the UK could be in the region of 4-5% of GDP or £62bn-£78bn a year – roughly the economies of the North East and Northern Ireland taken together.
    Access to a $16.6 trillion a year Single Market of 500m people is the key benefit

    UK firms’ access to the Single Market goes beyond a standard free-trade agreement – the EU has eliminated tariff barriers and customs procedures within its borders, and has taken strides towards removing non-tariff barriers – such as different product regulations – by enforcing EU-wide competition law and coordinating product regulations.
    76% of CBI members say that the ability to freely buy and sell products in the EU has had a positive impact on their business, including 74% of SMEs.
    It has been estimated that UK trade with some countries in Europe could have increased by as much as 50% as a result of EU membership.
    The Single Market also underpins access to European supply chains. In 2009 $207bn of the UK’s total of $293bn of exports to the rest of the EU27 was used as inputs to industries, rather than being consumed directly; and the UK imported $161bn of intermediates from the EU27 in 2009. Imported intermediates are important even to domestically-focused sectors: the health & social care sector used $19bn of imported intermediates (principally of pharmaceuticals and other chemicals).

    The EU has helped open global markets to UK firms on strong terms

    The EU is a springboard for trade with the rest of the world through its global clout: it accounted for 23% of the global economy in 2012 in dollar terms. Through 30 trade deals negotiated by the EU, including the Single Market itself, British firms have full access to a $24 trillion market. The recent deal with Canada and on-going discussions with Japan and the US could double this to $47 trillion – the UK would struggle to achieve the same quality of trade deals independently.
    58% of CBI members think that extra-EU trade agreements have had a positive impact on their business, including 55% of SMEs, compared to 3% who thought the impact was negative.
    Membership has increased flows of investment into the UK

    Investment flows across borders inside the EU have roughly doubled following the introduction of the Single Market. As the EU’s leading investment destination, the UK was a key beneficiary: the EU accounted for 47% of the UK’s stock of inward FDI at the end of 2011, with investments worth over $1.2 trillion.
    Access to the EU Single Market has also helped attract investment into the UK from outside the EU.
    52% of CBI members say that the ability to invest in other EU states without restriction has had a positive impact on business.
    Free movement of labour has broug­­­­ht benefits to the UK economy

    Free movement of labour helps UK business plug skills gaps. 63% of CBI members say that the ability to recruit and transfer staff from across the EU has been positive for business, including 48% of SMEs. Overall only 1% of members said the impact had been negative – and only 2% of SMEs said it had been negative.
    UK citizens have also benefited from free movement of labour – at least three-quarters of a million live in other EU countries.
    CBI recognises that there is public debate over immigration – consideration must be given to how free movement can practically operate in an EU of 28 in a way that commands public support.
    Business sees the UK’s lack of unilateral control over some regulation as a downside to membership

    There is recognition that common rules are needed to support the Single Market. 52% of CBI members think that common product standards across the EU are a positive, including 50% of SMEs. Overall, only 15% of members said that the impact of common standards had been negative.
    However, firms are concerned about labour market regulation. 49% of CBI members say that the pan-EU employment rights in areas such as working hours are a negative for business.
    The UK’s net budgetary contribution is a small net cost relative to the benefits

    The UK’s net contribution to the EU budget is around €7.3bn, or 0.4% of GDP. As a comparison that’s around a quarter of what the UK spends on the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, and less than an eighth of the UK’s defence spend. The £116 per person net contribution is less than that from Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Germany and the Netherlands.


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    lindal1000
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    I think TM was completely off the mark with her Scotland speech. It didn’t even seem to go down that well with the audience and it has really enraged many other Scottish people, even those who had never been particularly nationalist.

    I don’t think she is a good politician. She comes across as snarly, humourless, cold, controlling and confrontative and if she now goes and uses that same style in her negotiations regarding brexit then I can’t see that working in the UK’s favour.
    I think the UK is stuck with her for a while..but the tides are changing and I get the feeling that this week both her and Jeremy Corbyn are getting a little rattled.

    I can’t say I even begin to understand NI politics, but are gains by Sinn Fein and losses by the UUP brexit related? Perhaps JSKS could explain :grin:


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    This made me smile this morning Linda1000 and the article was quite interesting too.

    “Government spin doctors are busy planting stories that the nice caring Prime Minister who wants all Europeans here to live happily ever after amongst us has been stopped by the wicked witch of Berlin who won’t grant reciprocal rights to Brits in Europe.”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-citizens-house-of-lords-theresa-may-angela-merkel-a7609126.html


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    plog
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    I don’t think she is a good politician. She comes across as snarly, humourless, cold, controlling and confrontative and if she now goes and uses that same style in her negotiations regarding brexit then I can’t see that working in the UK’s favour.

    That, plus the story starting to circulate that some committee/group has decided the UK can’t be forced to pay sums due (even for EU projects that the UK signed up on). If that idea takes hold and we end up battling with the EU over funds due that is really going to help the UKs future position in the world….

    I would have hoped at least some signs reasonableness would have started to have been displayed by now, but obviously not. It is going to be a scorched Earth and a rocky few years for many with TM in charge.


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    A woman scorned; the shameful way she was shunned during the Brussels summit last December may have something to do with her present attitude towards the European Union.


    Tom

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    <p abp=”659″>So much bitterness ………. what’s the alternative, then? <p abp=”660″>S.

    <hr><br abp=”662″> Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!<p abp=”663″>

    <p abp=”664″>Again with the accusation of “bitterness” :roll:

    <hr abp=”667″> <p abp=”668″>“Passion is the genesis of genius.” – Galileo

    That’s a bit rich, given your tirade against our Prime Minister, icey. Is it bitterness, anger, frustration? What solution are you seeking? S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!


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    largewhite
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    Icey

    quote “Government spin doctors are busy planting stories that the nice caring Prime Minister who wants all Europeans here to live happily ever after amongst us has been stopped by the wicked witch of Berlin who won’t grant reciprocal rights to Brits in Europe.”

    Absolutely correct. Saint Theresa wanted to discuss the situation on an EU wide basis, not individual countries, but the wicked witch decided that negotiations could not begin until after art 50. Democracy in action and fake news again.

    plog

    quote ” That, plus the story starting to circulate that some committee/group has decided the UK can’t be forced to pay sums due (even for EU projects that the UK signed up on). If that idea takes hold and we end up battling with the EU over funds due that is really going to help the UKs future position in the world….”

    That “some committee/group”  you refer to is the Lords EU financial affairs committee who between them have a tad more legal knowledge than most people on here but no doubt someone will think they know more.

    You state that “we end up battling”. Who is the we you are referring to?


    largewhite

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    jsks
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    It certainly looks like the Spectre of Brexit has influenced the NI Assembly elections in that those against brexit have benefitted at the expense of those for.

    Mind you, everything in NI has a sectarian dimension and trying to logically parse the result might as well involve the casting of chicken bones.

    What is clear is that, along with Scotland and London, the good people of NI will be subjected to the ” will of the people” – just not their own people.

    12 months ago the Union was still strong. Now it is bankrupt.

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    plog
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    largewhite: The “we” is the UK.

    <<“That “some committee/group”  you refer to is the Lords EU financial affairs committee who between them have a tad more legal knowledge than most people on here but no doubt someone will think they know more.>>”

     

    I’m sure they do and they well be correct in their judgement.

     

    OTOH do you think it is actually sensible for us (the UK)  as a nation or it’s politicians to start even hinting that despite the signatures we’ve found a loophole and start hinting on not paying bills, at a time  when we might need to cut bi-lateral trading and other deals with countries outside the EU?


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