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    loopski
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    Icey

    quote “Government spin doctors are busy planting stories that the nice caring Prime Minister who wants all Europeans here to live happily ever after amongst us has been stopped by the wicked witch of Berlin who won’t grant reciprocal rights to Brits in Europe.”

    Absolutely correct. Saint Theresa wanted to discuss the situation on an EU wide basis, not individual countries, but the wicked witch decided that negotiations could not begin until after art 50. Democracy in action and fake news again.

    plog

    quote ” That, plus the story starting to circulate that some committee/group has decided the UK can’t be forced to pay sums due (even for EU projects that the UK signed up on). If that idea takes hold and we end up battling with the EU over funds due that is really going to help the UKs future position in the world….”

    That “some committee/group” you refer to is the Lords EU financial affairs committee who between them have a tad more legal knowledge than most people on here but no doubt someone will think they know more.

    You state that “we end up battling”. Who is the we you are referring to?

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    largewhite

    I mentioned the no play no pay EU withdrawal earlier on this board.
    Glad to see some group of geriatrics seems to agree.
    Agreement with Juncker, Tusk, Verhofstadt and Andy 72 would be impossible, a veritable waste of time.
    A HARD Brexit is the only solution.


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    tryval
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    Hard B, (read suicide), never very satisfactory.

    The Scots will get another referendum and leave the UK, and who will blame them, not me!

    Brexit is Wonderful for NI nationalists, another motive for Irish reunification. :-)


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    Grannyschumacher
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    The real surprise is that they could fill a room with Scottish Conservatives.

    They didn’t.


    In through the nose, out through the mouth.

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    andy72
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    largewhite: The “we” is the UK. <<“That “some committee/group” you refer to is the Lords EU financial affairs committee who between them have a tad more legal knowledge than most people on here but no doubt someone will think they know more.>>” I’m sure they do and they well be correct in their judgement. OTOH do you think it is actually sensible for us (the UK) as a nation or it’s politicians to start even hinting that despite the signatures we’ve found a loophole and start hinting on not paying bills, at a time when we might need to cut bi-lateral trading and other deals with countries outside the EU?

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    The OP is clearly a member of the “Britannia rules the waves” delusionists who still believe that Britannia can waive the rules and Johnny Foreigner will still be queueing up to do deals with it regardless.


    Starve the troll

    #1768161
    loopski
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    queue
    kjuː/
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    gerund or present participle: queuing

    One “e” is more than sufficient and preferred by pedantic nitpickers.


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    queue kjuː/ verb gerund or present participle: queuing One “e” is more than sufficient and preferred by pedantic nitpickers.


    they hate us because of our values

    Behave yourself please Loops


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    Grannyschumacher
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    “Britannia rules the waves”

    Britannia waives the rules


    In through the nose, out through the mouth.

    #1768193
    Grumpy Yorkie
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    I was right, May is a lying, hypocritical, arrogant idiot.

    Her speech today was breathtakingly hypocritical, if she failed to see the irony in every argument she made against Scottish independence then she and those sycophants that support her are actually far more stupid than I had actually believed possible. I knew she was an appalling politician before Brexit and today she just confirmed every criticism that I have of her.”

    You’re right, icey. Bitterness doesn’t describe the above post.

    S.


    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a '54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ................... bloody grand!

    #1768198
    tim17
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    I was right, May is a lying, hypocritical, arrogant idiot. Her speech today was breathtakingly hypocritical, if she failed to see the irony in every argument she made against Scottish independence then she and those sycophants that support her are actually far more stupid than I had actually believed possible. I knew she was an appalling politician before Brexit and today she just confirmed every criticism that I have of her.” You’re right, icey. Bitterness doesn’t describe the above post. S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    Come on Stuart even you must admit that her speech was provocative at a time when she should be doing all she can to keep the union together – what happened to your call to all get behind the PM, does that include the Scots?


    Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes (Wilde)

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    Grannyschumacher
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    Would you rather have had Boris?

    Or Gove?

    Or Leadnobody?

    Or Liam Fox?

    Or Corbyn?

    She’s the best we’ve got and I’m very impressed with her so far.

    S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    Damned with faint praise. What an indictment of the UK. “She’s the best we’ve got”

    God help us.


    In through the nose, out through the mouth.

    #1768200
    Grumpy Yorkie
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    <p abp=”844″>“<strong abp=”845″>I was right, May is a lying, hypocritical, arrogant idiot. Her speech today was breathtakingly hypocritical, if she failed to see the irony in every argument she made against Scottish independence then she and those sycophants that support her are actually far more stupid than I had actually believed possible. I knew she was an appalling politician before Brexit and today she just confirmed every criticism that I have of her.” You’re right, icey. Bitterness doesn’t describe the above post. S.

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    <p abp=”848″>Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    <p abp=”849″>Come on Stuart even you must admit that her speech was provocative at a time when she should be doing all she can to keep the union together – what happened to your call to all get behind the PM, does that include the Scots?

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    <p abp=”852″>Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes (Wilde)

    I only saw the edited highlights and not the whole thing, Tim. Seems she was tub-thumping for the Tories in Scotland and rightly saying the SNP were guilty of mismanagement of several areas over which they have control. Nothing wrong in that … it’s politics.

    It depends on whether you feel that you can negotiate with Sturgeon and Salmond. I would suggest you cannot trust either. Their only aim is an “independent” Scotland with their subsidy from the EU instead of the UK Govt.

    If you hold a different view, I can see how May’s speech can be regarded otherwise.

    S.


    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a '54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ................... bloody grand!

    #1768201
    Grumpy Yorkie
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    <p abp=”879″>Would you rather have had Boris?

    <p abp=”880″>Or Gove?

    <p abp=”881″>Or Leadnobody?

    <p abp=”882″>Or Liam Fox?

    <p abp=”883″>Or Corbyn?

    <p abp=”884″>She’s the best we’ve got and I’m very impressed with her so far.

    <p abp=”885″>S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!<p abp=”888″>

    <p abp=”889″>Damned with faint praise. What an indictment of the UK. “She’s the best we’ve got”

    <p abp=”890″>God help us.

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    What’s your solution, Granny?

    S.


    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a '54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ................... bloody grand!

    #1768204
    Spotty
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    God help us.

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    She’s a vicar’s daughter !


    Je suis Spotty - FSM, he boiled for our sins !

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    <p abp=”844″>“<strong abp=”845″>I was right, May is a lying, hypocritical, arrogant idiot. Her speech today was breathtakingly hypocritical, if she failed to see the irony in every argument she made against Scottish independence then she and those sycophants that support her are actually far more stupid than I had actually believed possible. I knew she was an appalling politician before Brexit and today she just confirmed every criticism that I have of her.” You’re right, icey. Bitterness doesn’t describe the above post. S.

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    <p abp=”848″>Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    <p abp=”849″>Come on Stuart even you must admit that her speech was provocative at a time when she should be doing all she can to keep the union together – what happened to your call to all get behind the PM, does that include the Scots?

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    <p abp=”852″>Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes (Wilde)

    I only saw the edited highlights and not the whole thing, Tim. Seems she was tub-thumping for the Tories in Scotland and rightly saying the SNP were guilty of mismanagement of several areas over which they have control. Nothing wrong in that … it’s politics.

    It depends on whether you feel that you can negotiate with Sturgeon and Salmond. I would suggest you cannot trust either. Their only aim is an “independent” Scotland with their subsidy from the EU instead of the UK Govt.

    If you hold a different view, I can see how May’s speech can be regarded otherwise.

    S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    Oh my God, that is a classic, is that how decided how to vote on Brexit? Just looked at some highlights in the DM? Don’t bother yourself with actually reading the whole speech before coming on here to display your ignorance will you as you continue to spew your hatred for Scottish politicians and the EU.


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    <p abp=”659″>So much bitterness ………. what’s the alternative, then?

    <p abp=”660″>S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!<p abp=”663″>

    <p abp=”664″>Again with the accusation of “bitterness” :roll:

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    <p abp=”668″>“Passion is the genesis of genius.” – Galileo

    That’s a bit rich, given your tirade against our Prime Minister, icey.

    Is it bitterness, anger, frustration?

    What solution are you seeking?

    S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    :roll: I suggest you read the OP again and try to point out which part of my criticism is wrong as opposed to your usual standard response of calling others bitter, frustrated etc.

    You spectacularly failed to answer any of my posts on your thread where I detailed my opinion of the benefits of the EU. So GY, answer the points below if you can so we can all see you present us with actual facts. Mind you this below is just referring to business and my opposition to Brexit were definitely not just for those reasons alone.

    Factsheet 2 – Benefits of EU membership outweigh costs

    71% of CBI member businesses report that the UK’s membership of the EU has had an overall positive impact on their business, including 67% of SME members. Only 13% said there had been a negative impact. Overall,78% said they would vote to remain in the EU in a referendum, with 77% of SME’s taking the same position.
    A CBI literature review suggests that the net benefit of EU membership to the UK could be in the region of 4-5% of GDP or £62bn-£78bn a year – roughly the economies of the North East and Northern Ireland taken together.
    Access to a $16.6 trillion a year Single Market of 500m people is the key benefit

    UK firms’ access to the Single Market goes beyond a standard free-trade agreement – the EU has eliminated tariff barriers and customs procedures within its borders, and has taken strides towards removing non-tariff barriers – such as different product regulations – by enforcing EU-wide competition law and coordinating product regulations.
    76% of CBI members say that the ability to freely buy and sell products in the EU has had a positive impact on their business, including 74% of SMEs.
    It has been estimated that UK trade with some countries in Europe could have increased by as much as 50% as a result of EU membership.
    The Single Market also underpins access to European supply chains. In 2009 $207bn of the UK’s total of $293bn of exports to the rest of the EU27 was used as inputs to industries, rather than being consumed directly; and the UK imported $161bn of intermediates from the EU27 in 2009. Imported intermediates are important even to domestically-focused sectors: the health & social care sector used $19bn of imported intermediates (principally of pharmaceuticals and other chemicals).

    The EU has helped open global markets to UK firms on strong terms

    The EU is a springboard for trade with the rest of the world through its global clout: it accounted for 23% of the global economy in 2012 in dollar terms. Through 30 trade deals negotiated by the EU, including the Single Market itself, British firms have full access to a $24 trillion market. The recent deal with Canada and on-going discussions with Japan and the US could double this to $47 trillion – the UK would struggle to achieve the same quality of trade deals independently.
    58% of CBI members think that extra-EU trade agreements have had a positive impact on their business, including 55% of SMEs, compared to 3% who thought the impact was negative.
    Membership has increased flows of investment into the UK

    Investment flows across borders inside the EU have roughly doubled following the introduction of the Single Market. As the EU’s leading investment destination, the UK was a key beneficiary: the EU accounted for 47% of the UK’s stock of inward FDI at the end of 2011, with investments worth over $1.2 trillion.
    Access to the EU Single Market has also helped attract investment into the UK from outside the EU.
    52% of CBI members say that the ability to invest in other EU states without restriction has had a positive impact on business.
    Free movement of labour has broug­­­­ht benefits to the UK economy

    Free movement of labour helps UK business plug skills gaps. 63% of CBI members say that the ability to recruit and transfer staff from across the EU has been positive for business, including 48% of SMEs. Overall only 1% of members said the impact had been negative – and only 2% of SMEs said it had been negative.
    UK citizens have also benefited from free movement of labour – at least three-quarters of a million live in other EU countries.
    CBI recognises that there is public debate over immigration – consideration must be given to how free movement can practically operate in an EU of 28 in a way that commands public support.
    Business sees the UK’s lack of unilateral control over some regulation as a downside to membership

    There is recognition that common rules are needed to support the Single Market. 52% of CBI members think that common product standards across the EU are a positive, including 50% of SMEs. Overall, only 15% of members said that the impact of common standards had been negative.
    However, firms are concerned about labour market regulation. 49% of CBI members say that the pan-EU employment rights in areas such as working hours are a negative for business.
    The UK’s net budgetary contribution is a small net cost relative to the benefits

    The UK’s net contribution to the EU budget is around €7.3bn, or 0.4% of GDP. As a comparison that’s around a quarter of what the UK spends on the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, and less than an eighth of the UK’s defence spend. The £116 per person net contribution is less than that from Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Germany and the Netherlands.

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    “Passion is the genesis of genius.” – Galileo

    Is there something wrong with my iPad? I can’t see GY’s answer to the my last post in the quotes above.


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