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  • #1651967
    cherami
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    This may or may not be of interest but as you amy well know I had severe problems with a locked drive on my laptop, anyway after reformatting I installed a windows 7 disc that came from my old Acer computer and then I downloaded from the microsoft web site a iso of windows 10 and duly installed.

    The interesting thing is that it activated my win 10 copie and everything worked, whereas the orginal free upgrade lots of things like solitare etc did nto work they do now. Strange.


    #1651968
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    A clean instal always seems to work better. An update has to accommodate the baggage of the last installation and all the previous registry settings.


    #1651970
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    True but you would have thought that microsoft would take that into account as so many people complained that things would no longer work and no fixes on the horizen.


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    The recommended way to upgrade is to do the free upgrade and then immediately do a fresh install before loading any personal data and programs.

    Doing it this way is not exactly the same as a clean fesh install but the next best thing.

    It is never advisable to upgrade to a new operating system,the tried and tested route is clean install.

    Be prepared to spend some time removing/disabling the inbuilt MS spyware and data mining stuff.

    A lot of people who have aging or sick computers are rushing to do the upgrade thinking it will be a magic fix and soon finding out that it is far from it.

    The upgrade offer is valid until the end of July next year so the best advice for now is leave it well alone.

    Many will sing the praises of Win 10 from the rooftops but the truth is there are far more users experiencing problems, and in many cases losing their data than those who are not.

    Win 10 was rushed put to replace the white elephant that is Win 8 and yes it probably is the better of the 2 operating systems,but for current Win 7 users who use their computers for general home use there is no real advantage.

    Adding Classic Shell does make it look a little more user friendly.

    If I wanted tiles I would have gone to Wickes or B&Q. :-)

     

     


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    #1651996
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    The recommended way to upgrade is to do the free upgrade and then immediately do a fresh install before loading any personal data and programs.

    Doing it this way is not exactly the same as a clean fesh install but the next best thing.

    It is never advisable to upgrade to a new operating system,the tried and tested route is clean install.

    Be prepared to spend some time removing/disabling the inbuilt MS spyware and data mining stuff.

    A lot of people who have aging or sick computers are rushing to do the upgrade thinking it will be a magic fix and soon finding out that it is far from it.

    The upgrade offer is valid until the end of July next year so the best advice for now is leave it well alone.

    Many will sing the praises of Win 10 from the rooftops but the truth is there are far more users experiencing problems, and in many cases losing their data than those who are not.

    Win 10 was rushed put to replace the white elephant that is Win 8 and yes it probably is the better of the 2 operating systems,but for current Win 7 users who use their computers for general home use there is no real advantage.

    Adding Classic Shell does make it look a little more user friendly.

    If I wanted tiles I would have gone to Wickes or B&Q. :-)

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    I agree the cleanest way is a fresh instal. I doubt if many people will take that route as it is the most difficult and not the route recommended by MS.

    I disagree with you about Windows 8 BTW, far from being a white elephant it was a major re-write of a lot of the kernel code and provided a much faster boot than anything before. Windows 8.1 was a cosmetic release to try and appease the people with Start button syndrome. Windows 10 doesn’t really add much more from a user interface perspective, but was a poorly executed release and I have had lots of problems with it.

    That said, if you use something like a surface for working and travelling the benefits of the tactile interface and classic interface are many. You find yourself using the keyboard and screen to get done what you want quicker. The W10 tablet/phone interface is much better than IOS or Android, by a long way combined with being able to switch to classic windows for Office or other windows applications that you can’t get on other platforms.


    #1651999
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    A lot of people who have aging or sick computers are rushing to do the upgrade thinking it will be a magic fix and soon finding out that it is far from it. :?:
    Once upon a time,in the year 2008 I bought a half price Medion 1210 Netbook in the sales in Niort, it worked on Windows XP. Then, later I bought a Windows. 8 download and upgraded with all my baggage; the result was a new lease of life. Then Windows upgraded to Windows 8.1 and the Pro version was pure bliss compared with the old XP.
    Again wxith all baggage in tow of course. A month ago ready with my suitcases packed I embarked at nil cost on the upgrade to Windows 10; a superlatively successful further rejuvenation. I am so happy.
    Next move over the weekend will be activating the onboard emulation of one of the compatible WhatsApp browsers in order to run WhatsApp on the new Windows Edge browser.
    Although I have used WhatsApp for ages I never realised that the Application has an onboard QR code reader.


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    Loopski,no idea why you put the question mark in.

    I have heard of numerous people who have upgraded poorly or old computers and experienced nothing but problems,and even more problems trying to revert back to the previous OS,many of these problems are beyond the scope of lesser pc savvy users.

    You did it relatively easily apart from the graphics issue and of course so did many others.

    For some the transition has been painless for many not so painless.

    The instructions for carrying out a clean install are somewhere on the MS site,but this is to be done after the initial upgrade and gives an (almost) clean install,this is more time consuming for the user as personal data has to be saved or transferred and it is this which puts most users off.

    I have  a clean install of 10 on a 2005 Dell desktop purely for curiosity and it doesn’t do anything for me that Win 7 doesn’t do already.

    I have no interest in tiles/whatapp/QR codes/spyware/keyloggers/data mining/targetted advertising/Cortana/Edge etc etc,for me  for the time being it’s a case of the devil you know.

    I’m building a new system tomorrow and it won’t be having Win 10 on it any time soon.


    #1652133
    cherami
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    One question on new install where are you getting the clean install from ie the iso from microsoft and if so where are you obtaing the activation number from please?


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    You don’t need an activation number when upgrading from a valid installation of Win 7/8/8.1.

    Once you have done the initial upgrade from the previous operating system and it has activated which it should do automatically,you can then install/reinstall Win 10 as many times as you like.

    There are many tutorials around explaining how to get  a clean install,this is one of them and explains each step clearly.


    #1652166
    cherami
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    Thank you for that, I was not absolutly sure


    #1652186
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    Talk about flogging a dead horse.
    With my thumb key I can reinstall any 32 bit Windows 10 machine. https://www.frenchentree.com/france-forum/topic/microsoft-windows-10-free-upgrade-10-more-of-your-questions-answered/page/2/#post-1639578


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    Hi,

    Have windows 10 installed and looking to reduce the size of videos I have taken so that I can send via email,do not think windows movie maker supported for windows 10 and would appreciate any advice.

    Thanks

    Frods


    #1652231
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    I upgraded from Windows 8.1 Pro carrying bagage.
    Movie Maker (2012) is in my Applications and appears to be working OK.
    It would appear that the 2012 Version functions.


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    Talk about flogging a dead horse. With my thumb key I can reinstall any 32 bit Windows 10 machine.

    To get the best out of any system 64 bit is the way to go,and has been for some years,the only reason to stick with 32 bit is if you have older hardware (or software) that won’t run in 64 bit mode.

    With 32 bit you are limited to a little over 3gb of ram,Win 10 needs a minimum of 1gb just for the operating system in 32 bit or 2gb in 64 bit + whatever else is running.

    4gb of ram is pretty much the standard minimum these days and 8gb much better now the cost has come down,the more ram the better.


    #1652237
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    <p abp=”921″>I upgraded from Windows 8.1 Pro carrying bagage.<br abp=”922″>
    Movie Maker (2012) is in my Applications and appears to be working OK.<br abp=”923″>
    It would appear that the 2012 Version functions.

    <hr abp=”925″>
    <p abp=”926″>The basic principal (sic) of a septic tank is that the scum/crust layer seals the effluent from any air so that anaerobic digestion can take place.

    More movie Maker links; note the PNG showing the Version which I have on my Netbook.
    http://www.tenforums.com/software-apps/17771-windows-movie-maker-not-available-windows-ten-please-recommend-1-a.html

    Version 6.0.6001.18341 does all that and is not dependent of Win version, works for me on W7, 8.1 and 10TP

    http://www.tenforums.com/attachments/software-apps/10148d1420682511t-improve-windows-movie-maker-2015-01-07_2100.png


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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