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    Chanceux
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    This question is probably for Loopski but others may know the answer.

    I would probably get some Free 4g signal at the front of my building but the Free sim card used in a phone will default to Orange 3g and be bridé to 20kb/s because the Orange 3g signal is stronger than the Free 4g one, would the same thing happen in a 4g router?

    Am off now on a trip to Arras, dont need anything but it will blow the cobwebs out of the car and allow the smartphone to finally connect to 4g and perform!!!


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    You should be able to manually select the service you want but of course it may not be much cop if the 4g is too weak.


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    @ C.
    Free do not support a locked 4G router.
    What you are contemplating would require an unlocked 4g router in which to insert your free mobile Sim card. As I understand your situation a building is obstructing your free 4g reception. A 4g router would have a couple of SMA females for connecting an external aerials, in your case a couple of omnidirectional MIMO aerials would take advantage of all possible multi packet sources.
    In respect of the Smartphone check with the phone more closely the 4g reception shadow. Click on the tools cog, click on mobile net, click on Sim card 1,in window that opens select réseaus disponible. Wait until a list of all available networks appears. Click on free 4g and the phone will register to only the free 4g network.
    Check how many bars you get and also what other 4g networks are available from other cell service providers.


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    I’ve tried a few different SIM’s in my 4G routers now and the only ones which work without having to frig about with APN configurations (and not always successfully) are those from Bouygues which are 100% plug and play.

    True SIM free routers should be fully configurable and that includes forcing to 4g, unlocked ex operator routers will usually have customised firmware which sometimes omits that option and also the ability to force a switch to external antennas.

    Having got a pretty satisfactory set up with the second newer router I acquired my original T-Com branded but fully SIM free B593u-12 is surplus to requirements so if anybody is interested in it to have a play for themselves then PM me.


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    Doesn’t work that way Loopski, because of the intinerance agreement between Free and Orange it will always switch to an Orange 3G signal over a weaker Free 4g one even though it could handle much more data.

    Phone has been indoors for weeks, I dont take it anywhere with me as its crap as a phone :cry:, took it to Arras today and it eventually switched to Free but a good 15km after the Free 4g coverage was stronger than the Orange 3g, it stayed with Free the whole of the return journey on either 4g or 3G, got home and for the first time ever it remained on Free 4g, did a couple of speedtests and even in my building I was getting 12.3mb/s download and 0.32mb/s upload, wahaayy thought I :lol:

    Too good to last, just sitting in the same place it finally switched back to the supposedly stronger Orange 3g signal, speedtest would not even find a server initially, finally did a test and got 0.06mb/s upload :cry::cry::cry:

    The only time the thing gets used is when I am in the UK or Belgium at which point it operates as fast as a smartphone should, its great as a Wi-fi hotspot for my computer in the UK, when the €1 a month deal ends I will just cancel and bin the sim.


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    All very well and good but how do you attach the cable from the aerial to the phone? Mine’s only got a jack socket for the charger and a headset connector. :scratch:

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    Just stick one of these in the hall :smile: . https://hiboost.eu/en/f13-ed.html

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    At over €500 I think I’ll pass.     :negative:


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    No wi-fi in my phones settings. https://www.esato.com/gfx/phones/nokia2310.jpg

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    Same here with my Nokia 1208    :unsure:


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    Doesn’t work that way Loopski, because of the intinerance agreement between Free and Orange it will always switch to an Orange 3G signal over a weaker Free 4g one even though it could handle much more data.

    At home force the registration on to free 4g as explained. Check number of bars and download speed. The informmation will assist in evaluating the probable performance of a 4g router.


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    Cant be done, it will not even allow it to be registered as a network, one of the two Free 3g ones allowed it, I have already registered and forced it onto the Free 4g network in Arras.

    Bars do not show up on the smartphone; just a tiny triangle that you need a jewellers loupe to be able to see, download speeds are what I quoted parked beside the main building where I could erect une antenne.

    I did get one speedtest in on the Free 4g in my apartment before it switched over to Orange 3g and it was 2.42 mb/s download, 0.22 mb/s upload.

    I have used less than 0.25gb of my 100gb limit for January and 90% of that was Speedtest today :roll:

    If only I could block Orange from the phone.


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    I think the message is clear. You get what you pay for, nothing is Free.

    If you can get Bouygues 4G I can recommend them, but be prepared to pay more than 2€.


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    Well I certainly have a good idea where 4g is available and probable bandwidth.
    Try and be more analytical and objective, rather than having a blue fit.
    What is réception in arras?
    Have you registrred on to 4g in Arras and observed when the 4g connection is lost on returning?
    Do you know where all the local free antennas are and the LTE channels and the direction the aerials are pointing?
    Do you know the heights of installation of the aerials?


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    Had 100 mb in Arras on the momentous occasion of first forcing the phone to switch, today it was 65.

    Yes i know where the local Free 4g antenne is in the twon centre, dont know what an LTE channel is but I dod for the first time today see it written by the 4g symbol, I know where the other free antennes are also, they tend to be in the dead spots where Orange has either no or weak coverage which kind of makes sense, the map i used, (your link maybe) did show heights, I did not realise they were directional.

    Where do i lose the signal? Depends on the day, as I drive off the rocade into the dip 500m from where i live the signal drops, sometimes is lost, generally it can be kept all the way to my property and is quite strong in front of it, at the side where I park my car its screened a bit by the poste de transformateur and in my flat then the cloisons, my garage and a neighbours plan pied all are between me and the transmitter.

    I know that i will never get a good signal in my flat, that was never the aim, I’m pretty sure I could get a really good signal with a reciever at the top of the mur pignon and that could give great wi-fi coverage to the whole building my flat included, but the problem is the Free sim will automatically default to the stronger Orange 3g signal which is then bridé to next to nothing.

    Just done a network scan from inside, the only 4g networks coming up are Orange and SFR.

    The issue is the Orange:Free itinerance, its well documented. CR knows all about it, understands these things a lot better than me and might be the better person to answer.


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    #1820802
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    The antenna directions and other info are in the cartoradio App.
    You have to long click on an aerial cluster to get an info pop up.
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    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anfr.cartoradio.mobile

    Choose parameters to get only what you want as the App includes RF emitters down to 10 watts.


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    According to https://www.monreseaumobile.fr/ you have blanket 4g coverage from all operators but your nearest mobile mast is a mere 100m or so in front of you, it’s Orange which I think makes it FREE also.

    There are apps to force phones to lock on 4g but unless your phone is VoLTE (Voice over LTE which it isn’t) then forcing it will prevent you from making or receiving voice calls because a non VoLTE phone needs to fall back to 3g or even 2g for those. VoLTE phones are still pretty thin on the ground but that is bound to change very quickly.

    In very basic terms 4g, or 4th generation, is simply the name of the current iteration of mobile phone technology (actually it’s 5g but that is not yet publically available).

    LTE stands for Long Term Evolution, although quite what meaningful information that name is supposed to convey to the layman is mystery, for all practical purposes however you can say that 4g is LTE and vice-versa. You do of course need a LTE compatible phone to benefit from the technology and yours is. Most phones sold over the past couple of years, and pretty much all new ones, will be.

    LTE is a separate technology which overlays 4g and is the process of simultaneously broadcasting multiple data streams across a frequency spectrum (up to 300) which results in more and diverse reflections which in turn help penetrate areas and increase the potential distance the signal will reach. Signals when received are recombined and aggregated to give the higher speeds. That’s why ideally LTE needs two antennas in order to simultaneously collect horizontal, vertical, and skewed signals.

    LTE phones will incorporate dual antennas but their size and the fact that they are held in the hand, if not also to the head, means that they are extremely inefficient, a router on the other hand house a pair of correctly dimensioned and unobstructed antennas which is why they can work well even in situations where a phone is unable to pick up a 4g signal at all.

    You may come across the term MIMO which stands for Multi In Multi Out and is often used when describing LTE antennas.


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    Informative post AnOther. Thanks.


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