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    Tricia
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    “Brexit: May’s EU deal not binding, says David Davis – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42298971
    That’s what some of us said about the results of the referendum.
    Is health insurance mentioned in the “deal”? ie will the UK still pay the health costs of their pensioners etc? Or will we have to join the french system and pay according to income? (Unless we have already worked in France.)


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    CelticRambler
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    Are these the amazing technological solutions that they haven’t yet invented, and can’t tell us about for fear of undermining their negotiating position?


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    andy72
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    Yep, just seen that on the Irish news. Great negotiating strategy, David/Theresa/Arlene! So if the “Border” agreement isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, then presumably none of the rest is either? What about those referendum ballot papers? Are they worth anything? :razz:

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    Davis is blustering again. The strategy is to stop the Tory hardliners throwing their toys out of the pram. Davis knows the game is up.


    Starve the troll

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    nifty
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    DD works wonders and thinks he is living in a cherry orchard

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cherry_Orchard

     

    The question in which character is TM?


    http://niftyone.wordpress.com/ 'Life is short, art long, opportunity fleeting, experience deceptive, judgement difficult'. Aphorisms Hippocrates
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    nifty
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    Not varya by nature.:>&


    http://niftyone.wordpress.com/ 'Life is short, art long, opportunity fleeting, experience deceptive, judgement difficult'. Aphorisms Hippocrates
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    I note that Davis is backtracking this morning. Maybe he has been told that the bigger threat comes this week from the EU not ratifying the deal than from the Tory backbenchers?


    Starve the troll

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    I might supply one of these

    http://www.niftylift.com/uk/products/cherry-picker


    http://niftyone.wordpress.com/ 'Life is short, art long, opportunity fleeting, experience deceptive, judgement difficult'. Aphorisms Hippocrates
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    stuagain
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    Have we been sold out by Theresa May and others?

    As I understand the situation…….

    At present I have an EU passport stating that I am citizen of the UK and NI. If I lived in NI I could have an EU passport as a citizen of the UK and NI which entitles me to also have an EU passport stating that I am an Irish citizen. This is all fair and above board and in both cases there is no restriction of my movement, domicile or for working in any country of the EU should I so wish either as a UK, NI or Irish citizen.

    Mrs May’s deal will, as I understand it, mean that as a citizen of the UK and NI I will lose the majority of my rights conferred by the EU. Whereas should I live in NI or live in the UK but with one Irish grandparent (thus enabling me to get an Irish EU passport) I can still be a member of the EU as I can have the Irish passport as part of May’s deal and thus retain all the current rights and freedoms of movement as before as a holder of  the EU/Irish passport. This is even though neither I nor my parents may have been to Ireland.

    The DUP wanted the same rights for NI as the rest of the UK, well they got those in spades! There will now be two classes of UK citizens, those without EU rights and those with EU rights.

    No wonder there is a surge in applications from UK citizens for Irish passports. All you need is one birth certificate for one Irish born grandparent and those of your parents and your own (birth and marriage) plus a few hundred Euros and you become a member of the EU again. The rub is that original birth certificate as many records were destroyed in the Troubles.

    Am I wrong?

     

     

     

     

     


    I'll soar like an eagle rather than cower with the crows.

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    If I lived in NI I could have an EU passport as a citizen of the UK and NI which entitles me to also have an EU passport stating that I am an Irish citizen.

    Not quite – you would have to have been resident in NI for the period of time specified by the Irish Immigration Dept to apply for Irish citizenship.  So you need to meet the residency requirement regardless of your nationality.

    …should I live in NI or live in the UK but with one Irish grandparent (thus enabling me to get an Irish EU passport) I can still be a member of the EU as I can have the Irish passport as part of May’s deal

    That the way it was and is (except for your assertion that living there is enough to get an Irish passport – see my previous) – nothing to do with the deal.  Plus, having an Irish grandparent does not automatically entitle you to Irish nationality (only those born on the island or with a parent born on the island are automatically Irish).  Also, for those born after on or after 1 Jan 2005 they need to be placed on the register of Foreign Births before applying for a passport if claiming Nationality by descent from a grandparent.

    This is even though neither I nor my parents may have been to Ireland.

    A lot of Australians are working in the UK on the strength of having an Irish grandparent giving them Irish nationality by descent even though they and their parents may never have set foot on the island.

    The DUP wanted the same rights for NI as the rest of the UK, well they got those in spades! There will now be two classes of UK citizens, those without EU rights and those with EU rights.

    Only those UK citizens that hold dual nationality.

    No wonder there is a surge in applications from UK citizens for Irish passports. All you need is one birth certificate for one Irish born grandparent and those of your parents and your own (birth and marriage) plus a few hundred Euros and you become a member of the EU again. The rub is that original birth certificate as many records were destroyed in the Troubles.

    Mostly they were lost as a result of a fire in the Irish Register Office about a century ago not due to The Troubles.  However, as far as I know certificates are available from normal sources for certificates for those born on the island at any time.

    Am I wrong?

    Partially inaccurate.

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    I am citizen of the UK and NI

    Am I wrong?

    See JSKS’ reply above, and on a point of order, you are currently a citizen of the UK of GB and NI. The DUP’s quaint notion that they are British through and through is somewhat undermined by the official title of the United Kingdom specficially identifying their homeland as not being part of Great Britain. :cool:

    There will now be two classes of UK citizens, those without EU rights and those with EU rights.

    Yep. If you’re a pure-bred Brit, you won’t be as rightful as an EU  born and bred in NI. :whistle:


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    I am citizen of the UK and NI

    Am I wrong?

    See JSKS’ reply above, and on a point of order, you are currently a citizen of the UK of GB and NI. The DUP’s quaint notion that they are British through and through is somewhat undermined by the official title of the United Kingdom specficially identifying their homeland as not being part of Great Britain. :cool:

    There will now be two classes of UK citizens, those without EU rights and those with EU rights.

    Yep. If you’re a pure-bred Brit, you won’t be as rightful as an EU mongrel born and bred in NI. :whistle:

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    Is it acceptable for a member of this forum to describe someone born in NI as a “mongrel” ?

    Given the context and suggestion of the above post. :shock:


    Anger is an energy !

    • This reply was modified 11 Dec 2017 23:44 by  drift.
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    Mongrel: late Middle English: of Germanic origin*, apparently from a base meaning ‘mix’, and related to mingle and among so the use in context is accurate. Would you be happier if I used the term miscegenate, métisse, mixed race, hybrid or half-caste?

    Besides, everyone knows that mongrels are healthier than pedigrees. :razz:

    * Same as the Queen of England, I believe :whistle:


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    Sorry CR……..the whole context and suggestion of your post regarding the DUP “quaint notion” and the use and suggestion of the term mongrel is quite clear.
    I’m quite aware of the meaning of the word “mongrel” it also depends on what context it is used in, its clear what the terms were in your post. The whistle emoji is a bit of a giveaway too.


    Anger is an energy !

    • This reply was modified 12 Dec 2017 00:20 by  drift.
    • This reply was modified 12 Dec 2017 00:20 by  drift.
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    Not the sort of people that ons would want to remayne with…
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    I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

    EU governments complicit in migrant torture in Libya, says Amnesty – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42318508


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    I note that Davis is backtracking this morning. Maybe he has been told that the bigger threat comes this week from the EU not ratifying the deal than from the Tory backbenchers?

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    Starve the troll

    Unfortunately it’s not that easy to take words back once you’ve said them

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/12/david-davis-has-damaged-trust-in-the-uk-for-brexit-talks-says-verhofstadt

    he has played right into their hands


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