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    mikej
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    Peter

    I was truly amazed when I bought one of these:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/C-K-T49145-1-Screwdriver-Terminal-Strip/dp/B002BDPFWM/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1513873121&sr=8-15&keywords=terminal+screwdriver

    how much more the breaker terminal screws turned with it without any more pressure, they are essential IMO, look at the end its a different shape to a normal cross head.

    Mike


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    dantheman
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    le-dolly
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    Should you really want to use the correct tool, try this:

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    robertarthur
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    Also available in other sizes :-)


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    Chanceux
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    Peter, you have been without hot water long enough and as most French are in shutdown mode probably including your maintenance man I think its high time one of us helps you to safely shunt the faulty contacteur and have the immersion operating again albeit 24/7 until said mec decides to roll up, in any case he will only want to wait for parts until the middle of January.

    If you are up for it reply, I’ll post how to do it on the forum that way others can hopefully wade in to explain it better (my weakness) shout out if anything I say isn’t intrinsically safe.

    First question, is your tableau electrique easily accessible and would there be enough daylight for you to work there with the electric cut off, i.e. no electric light?


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    Chanceux
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    Why does the Wiha set need 3 different handles?


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    robertarthur
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    @ Chanceux,  one of the reasons: ABB and others check for over/under  tightening in case of problems with their range of MCB’s. Guarantee issues, the return to factory items because of a supposed production failure. Imported from the Art of Car Maintenance (my good old Gedore torque wrench) this technique has trickled down into electricians hands trying to prevent vicious circle discussions with higher electric powers residing in modern high-rise office buildings. Every task  it’s own handle.


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    robertarthur
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    @ Chanceux: nowadays there are only issues and challenges to be overcome. The word problem is almost extinct. It’s only after some hesitation that I ask you to read under the Christmas tree (real candles?)  about possible fire problems.


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    le-dolly
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    Why does the Wiha set need 3 different handles?

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    One is a standard drive, one, the most important in this case, is a torque screwdiver and the third, the black one, is for setting the torque.


    Le-Dolly ( . )( . ) http://www.pink-electrique.fr

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    Chanceux
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    Thanks to you both, LeDollys explanation confused me less.

    Where are we when we cannot even trust or so called professionals to correctly tighten a fastener and to make them calibrate their own tools :roll:

    I get Robert Arthurs irony now, yet another solution to a problem that doesn’t or shouldn’t exist.


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    robertarthur
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    A mix of irony and reality I’m afraid, shaken, not stirred. The sales of thermal imaging cameras is on the rise, not without reason. Useful to inspect a tableau électrique, but very expensive.


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    Thanks again for all suggestions. As predicted, the plumber/electrician failed to turn up or even telephone. He is a friend of the B&Bers below me and they are waiting also for him to do a job for them. I have temporary access to a hot shower for now. Washing-up is a bit tricky and my washing machine is working OK. I am frankly too inexperienced to poke around the electrical bits so I’ll just have to sit it out till next week. I will keep you posted for information and thanks to everyone for your kind help and advice – P-DdeR.


    Peter-Danton de ROUFFIGNAC MA LLM http://www.francemedproperty.blogspot.com

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    chris-le-bricoleur
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    Peter I was truly amazed when I bought one of these: https://www.amazon.co.uk/C-K-T49145-1-Screwdriver-Terminal-Strip/dp/B002BDPFWM/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1513873121&sr=8-15&keywords=terminal+screwdriver how much more the breaker terminal screws turned with it without any more pressure, they are essential IMO, look at the end its a different shape to a normal cross head. Mike

    So extraordinary that it’s not even in the Wikipedia overview of all known screw drives. Seems to be a combination of a PosiDrive (improved Phillips Drive) and the traditional Slotted Drive:

     


    Christian - bricoleur par passion, pas par necessité http://www.klussen-in-frankrijk.eu/

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    Chanceux
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    Agreed Christian, its a shame I did not learn of my ignorance until quite recently (thanks to this forum) and did not have the proper tool 9 tableaux in the past.

    What is strange though is I found that I could get a better fit and more torque with a No 2 Phillips than the Pozidrive screwdriver even though I could see the Pozi markings on the terminal screws, the same for the hundreds of prises murales that I have struggled with.


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    Chanceux
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    Peter Danton, thats fine, if you are not confident I dont want to encourage you to play with electricity.

    In case things really drag on I will outline what I would have you do after switching off the current.

    Remove tableau cover and report back on what markings ae on the terminals on the contacteur, what coloured wires are in each terminal.

    with that knowledge I would have advised you to (with the electric turned off) remove one wire from one terminal and replace it another beside and existing wire, a bodge and having 2 wires in a terminal is not good practice but you would have hot water and the contacteur would soon be replaced by the electrician.

    Even replacing the cover on some tableaux can be a challenge if you are not a bricoleur.


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