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    Grumpy Yorkie
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    Lots of things are and have been going on behind the scenes for several months. The press report what they want to, occasionally linking it to information they may have been fed. It makes good copy, if occasionally alarmist. The truth will eventually emerge.

    The EU needs the money. There is no legal requirement for the UK to pay a red cent upon leaving the EU. None at all, and the EU lawyers have said so. The UK is seeking to link any voluntary payment to a trade deal and other issues. Without a payment from the UK, the EU will have to rethink the terms of its membership and Visegrad countries may even break away.. The ECB is still printing euros like they’re going out of fashion, to prop up the Italian banks and the Greek economy. Devaluation is inevitable, so a 2-speed euro may not be too far away.

    Merkel is not re-elected until the end of September. There is no immediate rush.

    Here’s an interesting statistic …… in 1973, when the UK joined the then EEC, it exported 43% of all exports to the EEC.

    It is still 43%, despite the huge increase in countries joining and markets expanding. So much for the “opportunity” to expand markets.

    S.


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    andy72
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    Surely that has more to do with the massive increase in spending power of non EU countries? You seem to be suggesting that even being shackled by the evil EU the UK manages to export 57% of it’s goods and services elsewhere.
    Why would you think the UK would get better trade deals with non EU countries after Brexit?


    Starve the troll

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    dantheman
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    Lots of things are and have been going on behind the scenes for several months. The press report what they want to, occasionally linking it to information they may have been fed. It makes good copy, if occasionally alarmist. The truth will eventually emerge.

    The truth will never emerge if it’s left to the British press

    The EU needs the money. There is no legal requirement for the UK to pay a red cent upon leaving the EU. None at all, and the EU lawyers have said so. The UK is seeking to link any voluntary payment to a trade deal and other issues. Without a payment from the UK, the EU will have to rethink the terms of its membership and Visegrad countries may even break away.. The ECB is still printing euros like they’re going out of fashion, to prop up the Italian banks and the Greek economy. Devaluation is inevitable, so a 2-speed euro may not be too far away.

    You’re making stuff up again -prove your statements

    Merkel is not re-elected until the end of September. There is no immediate rush.

    Here’s an interesting statistic …… in 1973, when the UK joined the then EEC, it exported 43% of all exports to the EEC.

    It is still 43%, despite the huge increase in countries joining and markets expanding. So much for the “opportunity” to expand markets.

    Prove it!

    S.

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    Grumpy Yorkie
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    <p abp=”632″>Lots of things are and have been going on behind the scenes for several months. The press report what they want to, occasionally linking it to information they may have been fed. It makes good copy, if occasionally alarmist. The truth will eventually emerge.

    <p abp=”633″><strong abp=”634″>The truth will never emerge if it’s left to the British press

    <p abp=”635″>The EU needs the money. There is no legal requirement for the UK to pay a red cent upon leaving the EU. None at all, and the EU lawyers have said so. The UK is seeking to link any voluntary payment to a trade deal and other issues. Without a payment from the UK, the EU will have to rethink the terms of its membership and Visegrad countries may even break away.. The ECB is still printing euros like they’re going out of fashion, to prop up the Italian banks and the Greek economy. Devaluation is inevitable, so a 2-speed euro may not be too far away.

    <p abp=”636″><strong abp=”637″>You’re making stuff up again -prove your statements

    <p abp=”638″>Merkel is not re-elected until the end of September. There is no immediate rush.

    <p abp=”639″>Here’s an interesting statistic …… in 1973, when the UK joined the then EEC, it exported 43% of all exports to the EEC.

    <p abp=”640″>It is still 43%, despite the huge increase in countries joining and markets expanding. So much for the “opportunity” to expand markets.

    <p abp=”641″><strong abp=”642″>Prove it!

    <p abp=”643″>S.

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    Let’s all hear your assessment on what’s really happening then, Dan?

    Then we’ll compare the 2 versions.

    It’s easy to attack what you don’t understand …….. I’d love to hear your view on what’s happening.

    Do you have a reasoned view?

    S.


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    #1790208
    Grumpy Yorkie
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    <p abp=”601″>Surely that has more to do with the massive increase in spending power of non EU countries? You seem to be suggesting that even being shackled by the evil EU the UK manages to export 57% of it’s goods and services elsewhere.<br abp=”602″>
    Why would you think the UK would get better trade deals with non EU countries after Brexit?

    <hr abp=”604″>
    <p abp=”605″>Starve the troll

    Nice try, Andy …….. so why hasn’t the UK expanded its % of exports to the much enlarged market?

    One of the reasons for joining in ’73 was access to a wider market, to replace the diminishing markets from the parts of the “empire” which had become independent and were seeking to trade elsewhere.

    So, in terms of the % share of exports, has that happened?

    S.


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    #1790211
    dantheman
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    You didn’t answer any of the questions, other than claiming I don’t understand.

    Nothing new there.

    UK Perspectives 2016: Trade with the EU and beyond

    Is probably correct.

    You really are just on a windup, all the crud you post is just your made up view of the world.

    I know why some people get really annoyed with your posts on this subject. They care about the future, you just don’t understand.


    #1790222
    andy72
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    <p abp=”601″>Surely that has more to do with the massive increase in spending power of non EU countries? You seem to be suggesting that even being shackled by the evil EU the UK manages to export 57% of it’s goods and services elsewhere.<br abp=”602″>
    Why would you think the UK would get better trade deals with non EU countries after Brexit?

    <hr abp=”604″>
    <p abp=”605″>Starve the troll

    Nice try, Andy …….. so why hasn’t the UK expanded its % of exports to the much enlarged market?

    One of the reasons for joining in ’73 was access to a wider market, to replace the diminishing markets from the parts of the “empire” which had become independent and were seeking to trade elsewhere.

    So, in terms of the % share of exports, has that happened?

    S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    GY, EU membership has been good for UK trade. Single market membership has been good for UK trade.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-department-ridiculed-over-tweets-that-show-how-eu-membership-boosts-uk-trade-dexeu-david-davis-andrew-gwynne_uk_58f5c7c6e4b0da2ff862d08e


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    #1790226
    Grumpy Yorkie
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    <p abp=”763″>You didn’t answer any of the questions, other than claiming I don’t understand.

    <p abp=”764″>Nothing new there.

    <p abp=”767″>UK Perspectives 2016: Trade with the EU and beyond

    <iframe width=”600″ height=”1000″ title=”“UK Perspectives 2016: Trade with the EU and beyond” — Visual.ONS” class=”wp-embedded-content” src=”https://visual.ons.gov.uk/uk-perspectives-2016-trade-with-the-eu-and-beyond/embed/#?secret=sfvIy8T5U9″ frameborder=”0″ marginwidth=”0″ marginheight=”0″ scrolling=”no” abp=”770″ sandbox=”allow-scripts” data-secret=”sfvIy8T5U9″></iframe>

    <p abp=”771″>Is probably correct.

    <p abp=”772″>You really are just on a windup, all the crud you post is just your made up view of the world.

    <p abp=”773″>I know why some people get really annoyed with your posts on this subject. They care about the future, you just don’t understand.

    <hr abp=”775″>

    Dan, you really should get out more and meet real people. You neither understand the issues at play here nor how different people deal with them. You clearly fear what you don’t understand. I get that.

    Ask yourself …. can I change the outcome? No ……. then either do nothing or plan for different eventualities. What’s the point in venting your frustrations on others?

    Original thought and proper debate, Dan, that’s what a forum’s about. What’s yours?

    S.


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    #1790227
    Grumpy Yorkie
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    <p abp=”807″><p abp=”601″>Surely that has more to do with the massive increase in spending power of non EU countries? You seem to be suggesting that even being shackled by the evil EU the UK manages to export 57% of it’s goods and services elsewhere.<br abp=”602″><br abp=”808″>
    Why would you think the UK would get better trade deals with non EU countries after Brexit?

    <hr abp=”604″><br abp=”810″>
    <p abp=”605″>Starve the troll<p abp=”811″>

    <p abp=”812″>Nice try, Andy …….. so why hasn’t the UK expanded its % of exports to the much enlarged market?

    <p abp=”813″>One of the reasons for joining in ’73 was access to a wider market, to replace the diminishing markets from the parts of the “empire” which had become independent and were seeking to trade elsewhere.

    <p abp=”814″>So, in terms of the % share of exports, has that happened?

    <p abp=”815″>S.

    <hr><br abp=”817″>
    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!<p abp=”818″>

    <p abp=”819″>GY, EU membership has been good for UK trade. Single market membership has been good for UK trade.

    <p abp=”820″>http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-department-ridiculed-over-tweets-that-show-how-eu-membership-boosts-uk-trade-dexeu-david-davis-andrew-gwynne_uk_58f5c7c6e4b0da2ff862d08e

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    <p abp=”824″>Starve the troll

    I see that and raise you:

    https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/

    S.


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    #1790231
    nifty
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    Very interesting links,

    I see ‘Everything you might want to know about the UK’s trade with the EU’ but am told nothing about Saudi Arabia or China.

     


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    #1790232
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    Or damned lies for that matter.


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    #1790234
    andy72
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    <p abp=”807″><p abp=”601″>Surely that has more to do with the massive increase in spending power of non EU countries? You seem to be suggesting that even being shackled by the evil EU the UK manages to export 57% of it’s goods and services elsewhere.<br abp=”602″><br abp=”808″>
    Why would you think the UK would get better trade deals with non EU countries after Brexit?

    <hr abp=”604″><br abp=”810″>
    <p abp=”605″>Starve the troll<p abp=”811″>

    <p abp=”812″>Nice try, Andy …….. so why hasn’t the UK expanded its % of exports to the much enlarged market?

    <p abp=”813″>One of the reasons for joining in ’73 was access to a wider market, to replace the diminishing markets from the parts of the “empire” which had become independent and were seeking to trade elsewhere.

    <p abp=”814″>So, in terms of the % share of exports, has that happened?

    <p abp=”815″>S.

    <hr><br abp=”817″>
    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!<p abp=”818″>

    <p abp=”819″>GY, EU membership has been good for UK trade. Single market membership has been good for UK trade.

    <p abp=”820″>http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-department-ridiculed-over-tweets-that-show-how-eu-membership-boosts-uk-trade-dexeu-david-davis-andrew-gwynne_uk_58f5c7c6e4b0da2ff862d08e

    <hr abp=”823″>
    <p abp=”824″>Starve the troll

    I see that and raise you:

    https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/

    S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    To summaries then, we both agree that UK trade has benefitted from EU and single market access, we both agree that trade with the RoW other than the EU has increased faster than trade with the EU. All you need to come up with is a reason why the UK would get better trade deals with the RoW as a non EU member than it does as an EU member.


    Starve the troll

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    Ask yourself …. can I change the outcome? No ……. then either do nothing or plan for different eventualities. What’s the point in venting your frustrations on others?

    Human nature, its dark side.


    #1790265
    Grumpy Yorkie
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    <p abp=”1021″><p abp=”807″><p abp=”601″>Surely that has more to do with the massive increase in spending power of non EU countries? You seem to be suggesting that even being shackled by the evil EU the UK manages to export 57% of it’s goods and services elsewhere.<br abp=”602″><br abp=”808″><br abp=”1022″>
    Why would you think the UK would get better trade deals with non EU countries after Brexit?

    <hr abp=”604″><br abp=”810″><br abp=”1024″>
    <p abp=”605″>Starve the troll<p abp=”811″><p abp=”1025″>

    <p abp=”1026″><p abp=”812″>Nice try, Andy …….. so why hasn’t the UK expanded its % of exports to the much enlarged market?

    <p abp=”1027″><p abp=”813″>One of the reasons for joining in ’73 was access to a wider market, to replace the diminishing markets from the parts of the “empire” which had become independent and were seeking to trade elsewhere.

    <p abp=”1028″><p abp=”814″>So, in terms of the % share of exports, has that happened?

    <p abp=”1029″><p abp=”815″>S.

    <hr><br abp=”817″><br abp=”1031″>
    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!<p abp=”818″><p abp=”1032″>

    <p abp=”1033″><p abp=”819″>GY, EU membership has been good for UK trade. Single market membership has been good for UK trade.

    <p abp=”1034″><p abp=”820″>http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-department-ridiculed-over-tweets-that-show-how-eu-membership-boosts-uk-trade-dexeu-david-davis-andrew-gwynne_uk_58f5c7c6e4b0da2ff862d08e

    <hr abp=”823″><br abp=”1037″>
    <p abp=”824″>Starve the troll<p abp=”1038″>

    <p abp=”1039″>I see that and raise you:

    <p abp=”1040″>https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/

    <p abp=”1042″>S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!<p abp=”1045″>

    <p abp=”1046″>To summaries then, we both agree that UK trade has benefitted from EU and single market access, we both agree that trade with the RoW other than the EU has increased faster than trade with the EU. All you need to come up with is a reason why the UK would get better trade deals with the RoW as a non EU member than it does as an EU member.

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    <p abp=”1049″>Starve the troll

    No need ……… the proof is right there, in the very figures! By being in the EU for over 40 years, with the promise of increasing trade, the best we have done is retain parity, whereas trade with the RoW has actually increased. No reason why that pattern should not continue. The EU wants our goods and our buyers and we want theirs.

    S.


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    #1790268
    Grumpy Yorkie
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    <p abp=”1070″>Ask yourself …. can I change the outcome? No ……. then either do nothing or plan for different eventualities. What’s the point in venting your frustrations on others?

    <p abp=”1071″>Human nature, its dark side.

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    <p abp=”1074″>Au royaume des aveugles les borgnes sont rois.

    Not just dim, but actually dark then, C. :smile:

    S.


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