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    DominicBest
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    Arguments based around conversations with made up people who know all these alternative facts are worrying but they are certainly not worth questioning or getting upset about. As they say, ‘Dream on old man. Dreams cost nothing.’


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    Grumpy Yorkie
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    <p abp=”560″>Arguments based around conversations with made up people who know all these alternative facts are worrying but they are certainly not worth questioning or getting upset about. As they say, ‘Dream on old man. Dreams cost nothing.’

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    I wouldn’t disclose what you’re thinking, on here, D. They’re bound to take it the wrong way. :smile:

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    Here’s an interesting statistic …… in 1973, when the UK joined the then EEC, it exported 43% of all exports to the EEC. It is still 43%, despite the huge increase in countries joining and markets expanding. So much for the “opportunity” to expand markets. S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    Even if that wasn’t  only a ‘damned lie’  rather than a statistic.  There are loads of possible reasons for this not least of which is that the UK has lost out already by it’s luke warm and anti approach to the EU.  Then you have the cherry picking  of  EU legislation. On the one had you have an army of bureaucrats insistent on strictly applying  EU directives relating to business, while other countries frankly don’t bother. Italy for example processes far more EU standards certification, many by proxy for other countries manufacturers for obvious reasons.  Then on the other hand the UK has failed to implement all the legal measures at its disposal to curb EU migration, while other countries like France go well beyond what is strictly legal to prevent it.

     


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    Grumpy Yorkie
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    <p abp=”625″> Here’s an interesting statistic …… in 1973, when the UK joined the then EEC, it exported 43% of all exports to the EEC. It is still 43%, despite the huge increase in countries joining and markets expanding. So much for the “opportunity” to expand markets. S.

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    <p abp=”628″>Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    <p abp=”629″>Even if that wasn’t only a ‘damned lie’ rather than a statistic. There are loads of possible reasons for this not least of which is that the UK has lost out already by it’s luke warm and anti approach to the EU. Then you have the cherry picking of EU legislation. On the one had you have an army of bureaucrats insistent on strictly applying EU directives relating to business, while other countries frankly don’t bother. Italy for example processes far more EU standards certification, many by proxy for other countries manufacturers for obvious reasons. Then on the other hand the UK has failed to implement all the legal measures at its disposal to curb EU migration, while other countries like France go well beyond what is strictly legal to prevent it.

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    Can’t disagree with that, RR, except on immigration.

    Not one country applies the Dublin Convention. France has a token go from time to time, but it’s half-hearted.

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    <p abp=”1021″><p abp=”807″><p abp=”601″>Surely that has more to do with the massive increase in spending power of non EU countries? You seem to be suggesting that even being shackled by the evil EU the UK manages to export 57% of it’s goods and services elsewhere.<br abp=”602″><br abp=”808″><br abp=”1022″>
    Why would you think the UK would get better trade deals with non EU countries after Brexit?

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    <p abp=”605″>Starve the troll<p abp=”811″><p abp=”1025″>

    <p abp=”1026″><p abp=”812″>Nice try, Andy …….. so why hasn’t the UK expanded its % of exports to the much enlarged market?

    <p abp=”1027″><p abp=”813″>One of the reasons for joining in ’73 was access to a wider market, to replace the diminishing markets from the parts of the “empire” which had become independent and were seeking to trade elsewhere.

    <p abp=”1028″><p abp=”814″>So, in terms of the % share of exports, has that happened?

    <p abp=”1029″><p abp=”815″>S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!<p abp=”818″><p abp=”1032″>

    <p abp=”1033″><p abp=”819″>GY, EU membership has been good for UK trade. Single market membership has been good for UK trade.

    <p abp=”1034″><p abp=”820″>http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-department-ridiculed-over-tweets-that-show-how-eu-membership-boosts-uk-trade-dexeu-david-davis-andrew-gwynne_uk_58f5c7c6e4b0da2ff862d08e

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    <p abp=”824″>Starve the troll<p abp=”1038″>

    <p abp=”1039″>I see that and raise you:

    <p abp=”1040″>https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/

    <p abp=”1042″>S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!<p abp=”1045″>

    <p abp=”1046″>To summaries then, we both agree that UK trade has benefitted from EU and single market access, we both agree that trade with the RoW other than the EU has increased faster than trade with the EU. All you need to come up with is a reason why the UK would get better trade deals with the RoW as a non EU member than it does as an EU member.

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    <p abp=”1049″>Starve the troll

    No need ……… the proof is right there, in the very figures! By being in the EU for over 40 years, with the promise of increasing trade, the best we have done is retain parity, whereas trade with the RoW has actually increased. No reason why that pattern should not continue. The EU wants our goods and our buyers and we want theirs.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    Every EU country has increased the proportion of it’s exports to non EU countries for the very simple reason that countries such as India, China, Brazil and Indonesia have grown rapidly over the past 30-40 years. I repeat, the EU and the single market have been good for UK trade. Far from being prevented from trading with other countries as claimed by some Leavers, the UK has expanded it’s trade with them without having to compromise on food safety and environmental issues. That is only possible as a member of the world’s largest trading economy, outside, the UK will have to renegotiate deals with no certainty that they will be able to continue with the current terms.


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