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    robertarthur
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    English user instructions for three-phase LINKY. For the complete manual see this ENEDIS document. Several  pages(17-21) about the use of only two push-buttons……Smart meters need very smart readers.


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    dantheman
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    Thank you.


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    Robert

    Thanks for that helpful as always.

    Would the main switch trip before the Linky? don’t particularly want to go into the road to re-set my electric if it does trip.

    Mike


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    robertarthur
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    Mike, mixed news. The main switch stays where it ever was. But a bit crippled. It  will still perform two of it’s three tricks: manual emergency switch off and guarding against possible fault currents to earth of 500 mA or more. The sad news for those with the smart meter outside, white box at the edge of property, is that it’s third function, guarding against power usage above your puissance souscrite, will be amputated by an ENEDIS surgeon. He or she has not only to replace the old meter but also to go inside to operate on your disjoncteur de branchement to silence this behaviour. So from now on it’s LINKY who decides if you are a power sinner. It’s a smart meter, but needs some manual attention. And an  electric torch or candle light: the readability of the display at night is not satisfactory.

    More than seven years ago I reported on Pontnoir about the first results of the LINKY try-outs in several regions summarising what had been written in the French press:

    “One of the lucky consumers participating in one of the test regions told a reporter that she never had problems with her old meter, but with the new intelligent meter she had to go outside every other day (external meter box, 20 meters from her house) to get the power back. Nice exercise in summertime, but at night, in wintertime? And the old lady interviewed is not the only one, it is (dys)functionality by design, read this. Let’s hope that in the final design they build in a more tolerant behaviour. Otherwise a lot of clients will have to sign up for a higher puissance souscrite. For EDF/ERDF of course a business opportunity.”

    Need I say more?

     


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    So it seems like my logic was correct! No point saving 18€ a year for 9kVA (instead of 12) as recommended by the Linky man, if it means suddenly losing power when putting the kettle on cuts all the power on a cold day!


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    robertarthur
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    Interesting case for those with an existing  single-phase 12 kVA abonnement: if you want to go to 15 kVA it implies a change to three-phase…..Some people have been lucky in the past: they got the green light for a monophasé upgrade to 15 kVA. Special treatment cases, not standard procedures.


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    All interesting stuff, I suppose that when installing the Linky and gaining access to vasectomies our circuit breaker we can insist the meter is installed internally, we can only live in hope that sense would prevail

    Mike


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    gaining access to vasectomies

    :shock::shock::shock:

    I know a lobotomy can come in handy when trying to be more French than the French … but letting an electrician interfere with my plumbing? :shock:


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    Mike, the meter will go exactly where the existing one is, its position has already been decided by what type of connection you have.

    CR, the €18 would buy you a lower wattage hotel type kettle like I use, its always been a mystery to me why all the kettles in France where every household has a current limited electrical supply are all 2KW or more.

    Most people overfill their kettles often filling to the top to make one cup of tea/coffee, the lower wattage ones are smaller volume and much easier to boil just what is needed and will be as fast as a 2kw kettle boiling too much water, you will save eletricity as well (not boiling excess water)


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    All the more reason for those with swimming pools to switch to an Eco setup. Saves a fortune and less abonnement required, possibly less re-sets to.


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    CR, the €18 would buy you a lower wattage hotel type kettle like I use

    I have a 150W kettle for the camper – still enough to trip the switch when you’re 1W short of the limit!

    I’ve been casting an occasional eye on my Linky to see what my max usage during the day has been. Unfortunately, I usually remember to do it only at about 1 or 2am – by which time it’s re-set itself to “0 and counting” :roll: – but when I manage to get to it before midnight, I’m seeing a typical max of about 5.5kVA. I have no doubt at all that introducting a female or two into the building would soon see that pass the 9kVA threshold. :lol:


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    Good point re the females.

    The old compteur CBE’s would record the maximum current drawn and never reset unless the record was exceeded, in some ways the Linky re-setting is an improvement.

    Its probably been mentioned before on this thread but worth re-iterating, with the old compteur CBE using the disjoncteur d’abonné with a thermal/time trip curve you could overload it by 30% for several minutes and exceed that for short periods like motor starting, the Linky will trip with a fraction of an amp over the puissance suscrite, in fact below that if you have volt drop upstream.


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    no doubt at all that introducting a female or two into the building would soon see that pass the 9kVA threshold

    Good point re the females.

    Bit homophobic that perhaps?

    In the interests of fairness  it should be pointed out that there are probably gay couples of which at least one could be an avaricious ‘leccy consumer :yahoo:


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    In the interest of total fairness, as you say Vic, both the gays in a couple could be female.  :whistle:

    Mike


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    Time for a summary of the answers given to OP’s earlier question?

    The SAGEM, Landis+Gyr meters and their lookalikes:

    Sagem meters

    Meter readings, energy consumption, the lower blue push button called “defilement”.

    Base tariff: push once.

    Heures pleines / heures creuses tariff (day/night): one push shows you the heures creuses (cheap rate), a second the heures pleines.

    Tempo tariff: with six pushes you’ll get all the details about  heures pleines / heures creuses  for the blue, white and red days.

     

    The upper push button (Selection) shows more details about your subscription, see also the document linked by Mike:

    S3: your so called puissance souscrite in amps and kVA;

    S4: your actual power consumption (no current clamp needed);

    S5: maximum current ever.


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