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    tomdenne
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    :???: In 2014 the Irish and all other European Union citizens who were resident in Scotland were able to vote. Into the bargain Commonwealth citizens also had the same right. But with Brexit now becoming the reason or excuse for a new referendum surely only British citizens should be able to vote for something that could so fundamentally change the state of the UK.


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    Grannyschumacher
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    I don’t know what happened before. This was my full reply

    You’re comparing apples and oranges. WM is a FPTP parliament. Holyrood is a PR parliament. On the basis of FPTP the Holyrood vote would have been 59 – 11 in support of a section 30 order.

    Extrapolating the Scottish result from the WM vote it would have been 53 – 2 against Brexit

    That’s the real democratic deficit in British politics.

    In Europe the UK had a veto as did every other membet yet “democratic deficit” was a Leave war cry.

    It’s absolute hypocracy to defend or support in any way the UK’s position with regard Europe while opposing Scottish independence on the basis of the size of a majority.

     

    Regarding Spain, one day Scotland has their support the next they don’t. Then it’s on again. It’s all speculation. What’s not speculation is that unless there’s a seismic shift in British politics Scotland is out of the EU. Independence keeps the door open. I could quote a dozen senior EU officials who speak possitively about Scotland’s EU ambitions. But it means nothing without it first gaining independence.

    Advice to anyone contemplating learning to ride a bicycle. Don’t, you will fall off … hopefully.

    And in a short paragraph I have summarised the attitude that drives much of the external arguement against Scottish independence.


    In through the nose, out through the mouth.

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    mysty2
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    Hopefully Scotland will get independence and join the EU. That way I can keep my European passport apparently though many Brits hate the Euro one. :whistle:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/02/uk-passport-dark-blue-brexit-eu


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    drift
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    No-one on here as far as I’ve read is opposing Scottish independence ?  Its more the case of, give the Scottish their referendum, only at a more suitable time after the Brexit negotiations have been completed, when they have something more substantial to vote on.  The general demographic seems to be …… We’d prefer the Scots to stay part of the UK as opposed to them leaving for a failing project which is the EU.

    Again……..From what I hear in Scotland, I believe the Scots are not stupid and will wish to remain part of the UK and its historical unions.

    So yes…….. give them their referendum and wave goodbye to NS.


    Anger is an energy !

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    tim17
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    No-one on here as far as I’ve read is opposing Scottish independence ? Its more the case of, give the Scottish their referendum, only at a more suitable time after the Brexit negotiations have been completed, when they have something more substantial to vote on. The general demographic seems to be …… We’d prefer the Scots to stay part of the UK as opposed to them leaving for a failing project which is the EU. Again……..From what I hear in Scotland, I believe the Scots are not stupid and will wish to remain part of the UK and its historical unions. So yes…….. give them their referendum and wave goodbye to NS.

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    Anger is an energy !

    It started off well but went rapidly downhill. ;-)


    Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes (Wilde)

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    andy72
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    No-one on here as far as I’ve read is opposing Scottish independence ? Its more the case of, give the Scottish their referendum, only at a more suitable time after the Brexit negotiations have been completed, when they have something more substantial to vote on. The general demographic seems to be …… We’d prefer the Scots to stay part of the UK as opposed to them leaving for a failing project which is the EU. Again……..From what I hear in Scotland, I believe the Scots are not stupid and will wish to remain part of the UK and its historical unions. So yes…….. give them their referendum and wave goodbye to NS.

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    Anger is an energy !

    Surely that would depend on what Brexitland looks like after any deal.


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