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    pabster
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    This forum seems the likeliest best fit for my query, but please (moderator) feel free to move it somewhere more appropriate.

    My property is a longère in a relatively remote rural location.  Access to the land is rather open and the house itself would be easy to break into.  Home security is something I’ve never before thought of, but we’d feel reassured by, for example, video monitoring of the potential vehicle access points and, perhaps, monitoring/alarming of key bits of the house.  IRMA Protect are highly recommended by Que Choisir as a surveillance and monitoring provider, but won’t even visit the property, preferring to sell by phone and, in fact, said that are walls are too thick for their wifi-based systems; they were staggeringly unhelpful on the phone.

    I’d ber very interested to know what security solutions fellow members have come up with and how successful they have been.  Particularly, it would be good to know of installers (independent – preferably in 79 or 86 – or part of a chain) that people are happy with.

    With thanks in advance

    Paul


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    On a regular basis a pal of mine who used to sell alarms would come to my flint stone house in the Uk to test the latest and greatest in wireless alarms, needless to say none of them worked, they would false alarm on a regular basis, this was some time ago and things may have improved, but I still think most of them work on the same frequencies, I think the problem would be the same in a old stone French house.

    Mike


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    pabster
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    Thank you for this, Mike.  I suspect that you are right about the difficulty of wifi in houses with thick stone walls.  What would be good to know of is firms that advise on/supply systems – wired and wireless – which people have good experiences of.

     


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    I have been burgled twice this year and live in a house with thick stone walls.
    I have become a dedicated bricoleur security enthusiast.
    Security alarms come in various guises, local independent and connection to a control centre.
    Connection via line, wifi, gsm, etc.
    The wifi suffers from the same problems as wifi on a router. The 433MHz makes little difference and has the disadvantage of being the same frequency as portable FM amateur radios and even drones. Some security kits have an optional 315 MHz but are strictly speaking illegal in EU. But a siren activated by 315 MHz can be useful. Initially a britwit with a LandRover used to trigger a wifi system but modifying the dip switches on all the detectors fixed this problem.
    My next security kit will have wifi plus PSTN dialling and connection capability. Later I’ll add a GSM compatible system when the local cellular service improves.
    Of course any non wired system is quick and simple to install.


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    My next security kit will have wifi plus PSTN dialling and connection capability. Later I’ll add a GSM compatible system when the local cellular service improves.

    Maybe a Rottweiler would be more effective. :unsure:


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    My first reaction on reading your post, loopski,  was that we have a lot in common:  living in the Deux-Sèvres in houses with thick walls.  Then I came across the word that always strikes terror into my heart: bricoleur.  Sadly, I’ve got absolutely no ability whatsoever – I only wish I had.  I think I need to get someone round to have a look ad give us some advice and an estimate for a largely wired system.  it does occur to me to ask whether, from your DIY experience, there are any brands of material that might be good to look out for and buy or avoid?

    Thanks very much for taking the time to reply.

    Paul (79120)


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    mangetout
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    Loopski – what was the point of entry into the house?  Friends of mine were broken into via the front door, others the garage.  What was yours?


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    1) Basic door from barn area to garden “protected” by a very basic 2 inch bolt.
    2) 3 days later. Door above blocked so a double glazed pane broken in kitchen window for initial entry then garden door unblocked from inside.
    20 years of no bother had been a cue for radical changes. All windows shuttered, external PIR activated lights, internal locks euro cylinder on all doors, multiple locks on external doors, wifi triggered alarms etc.


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    I use https://www.eps-telesurveillance.fr – brilliant and with GSM backup.

     


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    <p style=”padding-left: 30px;”>Ariege, can you clarify according to their web site ..</p>
    there are no installation fees you only pay the 25E a month for the basic house package.

    no charge for parts or labour to fit??


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    IRMA Protect can give quotes by phone based on number of potential entry points such that they can site their cameras. My insurance company which was AXA at the time recommended a similar company who gave me a quote by phone but I prefer to deal with people I can see. I got some quotes from some local companies where people came to the house and selected one of them. The systems are very similar but the commercial arrangements differ – no up front payment plus a monthly charge or some money up front and a lower charge monthly. I chose the latter. Be aware that the salesman visiting and giving the quotes may see things different to the installation engineer as to what/how/where to fit things.


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    Thank you – Ariège09 and thw8s, especially – for some interesting and very useful replies.

    Ariège09:  will definitely give eps a ring, although I suspect (looking at their website) that we will probably again come up against the problem that a completely wireless system won’t work well in our particular house.

    th8s:  the problem is that I can’t find anyone willing to come out and give us a quotation:  we are 45 km from the nearest large town.  I will keep trying, however!

    Any more experiences or suggestions would be very welcome.

     

     

     

     

     


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    Just to confirm – there are no fitting / labour charges with EPS – been with them 4 years. Effectively you rent each element of any system you opt for i.e. number of door/window/ movement detectors, fire detectors, cameras etc – the more you have the more it costs but it includes all télésurveillance.

    Excellent customer service (amazing but true!!!) and great phone app that keeps you ‘in touch’ with your system when away.

    No brainer peace of mind for me!

    Apologies for delay in reply – I don’t any email notifications even thou I’ve ticked the box!


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    @pabster
    I have a house divided in two wifi zones due to THICK walls.
    A security is just two separate wifi systems connected by rj11, rj45, CPL, PSTN or GSM as convenient.
    Simple strategy on installation depending on whether Primary or Secondary residence and value of possessions. Etcetera.


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    the problem is that I can’t find anyone willing to come out and give us a quotation: we are 45 km from the nearest large town.

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    I’m pretty sure EPS won’t be a problem – my nearest technicians come from Toulouse 75 km away! Télésurveillance is based is Paris and, when required, security agents are despatched to the property from Foix – 8km away. All included in your monthly fee.


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