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    wrangler501
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    Just got the Avis D’Imposition Prélèvements Sociaux and for the first time found my UK Rental Income featured with the full 12.3% charged. Does anyone know if it is the Double Taxation Treaty to blame? (or if it is a mistake?)


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    angel
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    As far as I have read, this is incorrect. Other people in this position have gone back to their tax office quoting the double taxation treaty and have had their charges reduced accordingly.


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    phillippe
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    Some time ago this was published and therefore I am wondering if this could explain why they have widened their net…..only a thought!

    Tuesday 18 November 2008

    The French government is proposing to widen the net on the imposition of French social charges on foreign earnings and pensions.

    The debate on the application of the social charges CGS and CRDS on foreign source earnings reared its ugly head again earlier this year. The French social security collections agency URSSAF, invoking European regulation 1408/71, attempted to levy CSG and CRDS charges on the UK earnings


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    parsnips
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    Hi,
    The social charges are clearly and specifically defined in the new DTT as taxes falling within the scope of the treaty –art. 1 and 2 –so any income exempt from income tax , like govt. pensions and Uk rents , is also exempt from social contributions . Some tax offices do not appear to have taken this in yet , but showing them the relevant sections (in french , of course) should sort them out . You can download the french version here;

    http://www.impot.gouv.fr/portal/deploiement/p1 … e_4688.pdf


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    wrangler501
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    Thanks for the info. Off down the Impots today!


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    maxap
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    We have also received a Avis D’Imposition Prélèvements Sociaux with 12.3% charged on our UK rental income.

    The 12.3% is split into three charges. Are we exempt from all of them?

    Could someone please point out to me which pages in the tax treaty I have to refer the tax office to. We are new to all this.

    Many thanks

    Wrangler501:

    How did it go at the tax office?


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    parsnips
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    @maxap wrote:

    We have also received a Avis D’Imposition Prélèvements Sociaux with 12.3% charged on our UK rental income.

    The 12.3% is split into three charges. Are we exempt from all of them?

    Could someone please point out to me which pages in the tax treaty I have to refer the tax office to. We are new to all this.

    Many thanks

    Wrangler501:

    How did it go at the tax office?

    Hi,
    See my link above;; art. 1 and 2.


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    wrangler501
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    Just got back from the Tax Office.
    Madame at the Accueil said “It’s right as it is”.
    We argued and got a bloke who took us into an office, sat us down and said “It’s right”.
    Both these people were shown the French version of the treaty but neither would budge.

    Do we have a right of appeal?


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    maxap
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    Exactly the same happened to us. I showed them the tax treaty and argued my case but they would not accept it. In the end I signed a form stating that I contested the charges on the grounds of double taxation. However to my question as to who will make a decision on my case, I was informed that this would be dealt with internally, – so I’m not holding out much hope.
    Has anyone got any ideas where and how to move this on? Or links to any other information that we can take to the tax office to argue our case?


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    parsnips
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    @maxap wrote:

    Exactly the same happened to us. I showed them the tax treaty and argued my case but they would not accept it. In the end I signed a form stating that I contested the charges on the grounds of double taxation. However to my question as to who will make a decision on my case, I was informed that this would be dealt with internally, – so I’m not holding out much hope.
    Has anyone got any ideas where and how to move this on? Or links to any other information that we can take to the tax office to argue our case?

    Hi,
    What you should do now is copy all the documents which you have and send with a letter explaining your case to the “Conciliateur Fiscal” for your departement –the tax office will supply contact details.(Get your letter translated into french)
    In the unlikely event that he does not support you, you can take the case to the “Tribunal Administratif” for your area.(send 4 copies of everything). Both these procedures are free , and do not require attendance at court or legal representation.
    Do not give up because you are in the right.


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    maxap
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    Many thanks for the advice Parsnips


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    adrianpmills
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    I have been charged too. I presume that the calculations are performed by a program. So in theory everyone in receipt of UK rental income should be charged and also anyone in receipt of a UK government pension too?

    If so I’m sure there will be many who will not realise the error, particularly on smaller amounts.


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    bellab
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    Sorry to butt in on your thread but I have just received a bill as well for social charges levied on our UK rental income – which was our only income last year! When i did my tax return here earlier on this year I niavely declared my gross rent as I thought it was for information only, the tax being levied in the UK. Should I have declared my rent minus all charges, maintenance costs and UK tax???
    thank you


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    parsnips
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    @bellab wrote:

    Sorry to butt in on your thread but I have just received a bill as well for social charges levied on our UK rental income – which was our only income last year! When i did my tax return here earlier on this year I niavely declared my gross rent as I thought it was for information only, the tax being levied in the UK. Should I have declared my rent minus all charges, maintenance costs and UK tax???
    thank you

    Hi,
    You should declare net of all expenses except UK tax ; BUT you should not have to pay any tax or contributions in France –see other posts on this forum.


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    bellab
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    So are you saying I should not have to pay even this social charges that i have been billed?? If you could point me in the right direction of other posts that would be excellent, thank you so much. Just received a bill for 2,000 euros yesterday which was a total shock!


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