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    adrianpmills
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    You have to contest them, as discussed in this thread, quoting the linked tax convention (articles1, 2 & 6). It seems the French government has routinely charged them even though they are not entiled to.


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    parsnips
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    @adrianpmills wrote:

    I have been charged too. I presume that the calculations are performed by a program. So in theory everyone in receipt of UK rental income should be charged and also anyone in receipt of a UK government pension too?

    If so I’m sure there will be many who will not realise the error, particularly on smaller amounts.

    Hi,
    In my experience they have not done the same with govt. pensions, probably because that exemption is a long – established principle over which there was once a lot of wrangling.


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    adrianpmills
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    No taxes on UK rentals is also a long established principle. I was completely confused as to where the UK rental should be declared on the French tax return so I declared as before and they must have moved it somewhere else. But from the discussions I would have thought that all UK taxable income ended up in the same box and so treated the same by the tax calculation programs?


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    adrianpmills
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    If anyone comes up with a letter to the conciliateur or whoever that results in the social charges on rent being reversed then would they be so kind to share the wordings of the letter and the response? as there are quite a few in the same boat.


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    wrangler501
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    As a matter of interest, how many reading this thread are in the same boat. And at which Tax Offices? Are there any who have been treated correctly?

    It might be worth getting ‘The Connexion” or other expat newspaper on to the case if there is enough pressure from the community.

    I’m 79 St Maixent L”Ecole Impots.


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    adrianpmills
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    That’s a good point, I’m sure the Connexion would be interested as it does seem systematic. There are snippets on other forums about the same issue. It seems some get their charges reversed readily and others hit brick walls. But if I post links to similar cases then it will be deleted.


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    bellab
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    @adrianpmills wrote:

    If anyone comes up with a letter to the conciliateur or whoever that results in the social charges on rent being reversed then would they be so kind to share the wordings of the letter and the response? as there are quite a few in the same boat.

    Yes please!!

    And would also be interested to hear of others in the same boat. I’m in 09 Ariege (Foix)

    thanks


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    maxap
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    We are also interested in any suggestions as to the wording of the complaint for the tax office.
    We are in 23, Creuse

    Have some people really had the charged reversed already? I haven’t seen anybody post that they have. Any links?


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    adrianpmills
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    Apparently yes but the owners of this forum will not allow any reference to the other forums where these dicussions are, so you’ll have to find them yourself. Not difficult with a bit of googling or just browse the usual places.


    #969984
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    sock99
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    Hi all

    I’m in the same boat in Haute Garonne & have been posting here in another thread: http://www.totalfrance.com/france/forum/viewtopic.php?t=104445&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=60&sid=e45a1419e6616c9e20ca7caaace53adb
    – the relevant posts are from 15/10 on.

    Any help before I reply would be appreciated as they’ve only given 10 days to reply.
    Cheers


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    wrangler501
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    Take a look at this – Page 10 is the interesting bit

    http://www.blevinsfranks.com/files/12/F … xGuide.pdf

    Seems to contradict the DT Agreement


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    phillippe
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    Which brings me back to my post on this topic Oct 20th ….

    Tuesday 18 November 2008

    The French government is proposing to widen the net on the imposition of French social charges on foreign earnings and pensions.

    The debate on the application of the social charges CGS and CRDS on foreign source earnings reared its ugly head again earlier this year. The French social security collections agency URSSAF, invoking European regulation 1408/71, attempted to levy CSG and CRDS charges on the UK earnings

    Perhaps?


    What the caterpillar thinks is the end of the world, the rest of the world calls a butterfly.

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    parsnips
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    @wrangler501 wrote:

    Take a look at this – Page 10 is the interesting bit

    http://www.blevinsfranks.com/files/12/F … xGuide.pdf

    Seems to contradict the DT Agreement

    Hi,
    First; this publication is out of date, it refers to the previous” taux effectif” method. Second ; the remarks on CSG are wrong , this is proved by the fact that rents were not previously being subject to CSG, and by other sources (see French Entree and others). Third, the “new ” treaty specifically mentions CSG as being covered by its terms.
    You should bear in mind that Blevins Franks can make no profit from people whose income comes from letting their UK houses, see the last line re. “alternative methods ……etc”, ie invest with B.F.


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    wrangler501
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    Thanks for that Parsnips.

    Our letter to the Impots is now ready to go. It has taken my wife all weekend to write it! Will let the forum know how we fare.


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    adrianpmills
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    Here’s a more detailed explanation. I don’t know if these are mixed messages or whether the first article omits to say the a credit should be applied against any social charges. Confusing to say the least:

    http://www.blevinsfranks.com/EN/news/104/820?newsCategoryPK=


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