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    Grumpy Yorkie
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3712505/Swiss-EU-immigration-curb-talks-creep-despite-Brexit-vote.html

    but then

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/73a8389e-7e88-11e6-bc52-0c7211ef3198.html#axzz4KpLz6XgN

    So, calling it “Swiss specific” means it’s a one-off, eh?

    The cracks are appearing.

    S.


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    #1745215
    CelticRambler
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    Old news. ALBF posted a link to a better discussion of this last year. There’s no “threat” by the Swiss to impose immigration controls – it’s a legal requirement, after their voters were offered a referendum on the matter and opted to cut off their noses. There was originally talk of a gentleman’s agreement of sorts being put in place to ensure a sort of win-win window-dressing so that Switzerland could continue to exist comfortably inside-outside the EU for the benefit of all, but that was scuppered once it became likely that England&Wales would vote “out” and the EU needed to get tough.

    The more relevant article from today’s press would be the report of Micheal O’Leary’s press conference: Michael O’Leary tells UK: ‘The world will want to screw you’

    The outspoken Remain campaigner said most of the Cabinet did not have a clue what Brexit will look like, and described predictions of positive agreements as “arrogant nonsense”.

    “I have no faith in the politicians in London going on about how ‘the world will want to trade with us’. The world will want to screw you – that’s what happens in trade talks,” he said.


    #1745221
    Grumpy Yorkie
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    Only old news as of July this year, in the case of the DM report and now the bl**dy Times has locked me out of their article, so can’t see the date.

    O’Leary is always good for a laugh, I agree.

    S.


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    #1745308
    goretti
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    I love Michael O’Leary …  but he will do anything for free publicity … I just read a book by a chap called Alan Ruddock, covering MOL’s rise as a businessman etc.     Wow … some of the antics he’s gotten up to  … hehehehe ….

    As for Brexit and the obstinate ‘remain’ peeps, who will never, but never, get over themselves …  let ’em all move to an EU controlled country, I say, and let Merkel and Juncker and the other fat cats run their lives for them  … yahoo:  :yahoo:   :yahoo:

    G B-)


    #1745372
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    Done that, bought the T shirt a few years back when we decided having our lives run by Rupert Murdoch wasn’t for us any more.


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    #1745502
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    Switzerland decides the economic cost of ending freedom of movement is not worth it.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/22/switzerland-votes-for-compromise-to-preserve-relations-with-eu

     

    Jobs to be offered to Swiss nationals first then if no takers offered to EU migrants. Maybe the way forward for the UK?

     

     


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    #1745565
    dantheman
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    Mmmm, not quite. Quotes from the article.

     

    “A quarter of Switzerland’s population – about 2 million people – are foreigners, including 1.4 million EU citizens. The plan would encourage employers to give them and local Swiss nationals priority for job openings, and to advertise vacancies at local job centres before recruiting from abroad, in particular economic sectors if net immigration went above average levels in other European countries.

    Crucially, the plan does not include any fixed limits to EU immigration, and stipulates that specific EU approval would have to be obtained before any such curbs could be imposed.”


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    From that article it appears that the Swiss government has passed a law that changes very little, if anything.

    Swiss employers must seek to fill job vacancies from people already in Switzerland before advertising the vacancy abroad . Hardly a seismic shift of policy!

    It was not a referendum overturning the previous one, the result of the  2014 referendum  must still be put into law by February.


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    The new law is an attempt by the Swiss govenment to compromise on the referendum result whilst still complying with it’s wishes.  Should the negotiations with the EU not produce a result compatable with the 2014 referendum then there will probably be a second vote as the majority if Swiss now want a different outcome having realised the economic consequences of going through with the first one. A petition with the required number of signatures has already been submitted to this effect.


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    Please explain to me how –

    Swiss MPs approved legislation on Wednesday that would promote some local preference in job hires

    is a compromise on the 2014 Swiss referendum result –

    The anti-immigration proposal was supported by the Swiss People’s Party and opposes the “Freedom of movement for workers” between the EU and Switzerland, which was introduced following a referendum

    Not even close to being anything like nearly the same thing – yet.

     

    The planned re-vote might not bring a change of result, a 100,000 person petition in a country of some 8 million might not swing the 20,000 votes needed for the reversal if the EU is seen to be telling the Swiss how to vote.

    Still, the unorthodox Rasa initiative, which the government has until Oct. 26 to comment upon and which must be dealt with by parliament by the end of April 2018, is raising eyebrows. Michael Hermann, a political scientist who heads the Zurich-based research institute Sotomo, is one such skeptic. He points to 2001’s failed “Yes to Europe” initiative, which was launched in the wake of Switzerland’s 1992 decision not to join the European Economic Area and called for EU accession talks. Hermann argues it wound up backfiring by mobilizing anti-EU sentiment.

    “Do-overs aren’t unproblematic,” he said, “One shouldn’t propose votes that aren’t necessary, David Cameron proved that. The danger with such a measure is that the initiators just wind up helping their opponent.”

     

     


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    I’m struggling with the points you are raising. The proposals from the Swiss are being supported by the Swiss pro business Liberal party and are opposed by their version of UKIP, the Swiss people’s party who see them as a watering down of what they wanted from the first referendum result. I believe what is happening with the Swiss will happen with the UK. Economics and political reality dictate that the UK will take the compromise route just as the Swiss are now having to do.


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    It would appear that Mrs May might not be Mrs nice. :whistle:


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    You don’t get to be P.M. by being nice.

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    As time goes by it seems that the referendum was more about a coup in the Tory party than Brexit. Cameron was supposed to be weakened but it backfired when the result went the wrong way though and the winner got the booby prize.


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    What does the little blue flag mean that appears at the side of this thread?


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