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    pommehomme
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    I’m sure that you’re right, Tricia. There’s probably a squadron of ‘special advisers’ who write these speeches. But it’s the person who delivers that speech who must carry the can for it. If they don’t believe in or subscribe to what’s been written for them, they should decline to deliver that speech. But what minister, desperate to climb further up the greasy pole, is going to say ‘no’ to toeing the party line (because that’s what the speeches are written to reflect)? Few, if any. That’s politics for you. But then, politics reflects life. So which of us can throw the first stone, saying we’ve never acted in such a manner? Don’t all rush now!


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    Grumpy Yorkie
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    Their speeches are written by their special advisors, aided by political assistants and probably with help from spin-doctors.

    The Minister gets to change/approve it before s/he reads it out publicly but has to be “on message”.

    Lots of stalls being set out on both sides. Bound to be tough-talking at this stage.

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    Grumpy Yorkie
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    The cracks get wider:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3827365/Angela-Merkel-BAN-EU-migrants-claiming-unemployment-benefits-five-years-open-door-policy-continues-hit-Germany.html

    Just different forms of words to describe the same thing. Unlimited and uncontrolled migration is an EU-wide concern.

    S.


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    Doesn’t the German situation just highlight how badly designed the UK social security system is though? If the UK system was similar to the German one then it could impose a ban on benefits to migrants until contributions had been paid consistent with receiving them. This whole sorry mess could have been averted if the UK had just put a bit more effort in but as with much that is wrong, the UK is responsible for shooting itself in the foot.


    Starve the troll

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    Old Codger
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    UK should push the Brexit button after the french elections in May,when im sure we will see Le Pen v Alain Juppe in the second round,with Alain Juppe winning,after the left supports the right to stop FN from winning .

    A Juppe being more pro uk ,then the ditherer in power at the moment,who has No chance of being re-elected if he was stupid enough to stand.


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    I would think Montebourg has more chance of leading for the Left next May but, I agree, we should have a friendlier face then, as surely the right (i.e. Juppe) will emerge victorious.

    Andy ……. you’re not wrong! It seemed DC was intending to change things, albeit gradually, but the EU (Druncker in particular) would not give him a deal he could sell to ward off the immigration resentment.

    There are increasing signs of the EU beginning to rein in its freedom of movement, although they are looking for ever-increasing ways of calling it something different.

    S.


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    It could have been achieved fairly simply. Anyone over 18 needing either 5 years of contributions or to have 5 years of credits by virtue of the fact they were living in the UK for that period of time before reaching 18 to be entitled to benefits and healthcare. If someone like me could come up with a system that would work, why not the politicians? Freedom of movement was never intended to be freedom to become a benefits or healthcare tourist, the UK attracted some of that because it has a social security system that is not fit for purpose.


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    plog
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    Andy

    TBH I thought the problem with changing the UK system was, we were told, that any change to benefits would also have to apply to UK citizens.

    Electoral suicide IMHO.

    Has Angela M found a way around this?


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    I see Theresa had a meeting with her boss [stringpuller] the other day. I hope it went well. I wonder what he is planning for our future. :mail:


    Welcome to the Stone Age.

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    I see Theresa had a meeting with her boss [stringpuller] the other day. I hope it went well. I wonder what he is planning for our future. :mail:

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    Welcome to the Stone Age.

    Do you mean The Australian?


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    The cracks are getting wider:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/15/angela-merkel-suggests-she-is-willing-to-compromise-on-free-move/

    No EU army.

    A Brit-supportive Trump.

    This is the beginning.

    S.


    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a '54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ................... bloody grand!

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    Very different perspective on that story from other papers though. As I read it elsewhere she was just looking at whether definitions could be a bit more flexible. Anyway her view could be completely irrelevant after the elections next year, Hollande’s view almost certainly will be.


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    The cracks are getting wider: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/15/angela-merkel-suggests-she-is-willing-to-compromise-on-free-move/ No EU army. A Brit-supportive Trump. This is the beginning. S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    They have all now come to terms over their position re the hole in the EU budget that Brexit  leaves them with . The UK contribution they have already spent by agreeing projects right up to 2020.  They need UK to continue their funding after Brexit . As  I have said “He who pays the piper calls the tune ” and the UK will be asking for some good tunes to be played by them  If they don’t play them…… they may as well throw the pipes away . A rebuilt EU run by people who have not been brainwashed in their youth by the Communist masters they lived under is needed as today what we have that has been created under their direction  is no longer fit for the purpose ………IMO  . If only they had been thinking when Cameron asked them  for change as they do now then we would not be  where we are … All is not lost…Future  EU rule changes could mean  rules to vote for that the UK  population could accept  …The next couple of years are going to be very very interesting and my hope is we all come out after the changes ahead  with a smile on our  faces

    As for Sarko standing again for the presidency………who has 50 million euros  sitting around in suitcases like his alleged last supporter Gaddafi to fund him  these days ?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/15/muammar-gaddafi-allegedly-gave-nicolas-sarkozy-50m-euros-2007-presidential-campaign


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    Oh no, you’ve got it completely wrong. Brexit means brexit. The British Government has said that. The people have spoken. Their will must be obeyed …..


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    When both sides have  worked out the cost and time it is going to take the UK and Brussels to unravel the EU stuff we live our lives guided  by and get it all replaced. It may look  better for everyone to say ” To hell with this …….lets find a way to give everyone what they want by tweaking what we have …….. ask them to vote on it and if accepted we can  call it a NEW DAY FOR ALL  “.    fingers crossed it happens .


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