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    pommehomme
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    If I’m gaugeing accurately the climate in the UK – both that of the Government and amongst those who voted ‘out’ – I fear that you may have your fingers crossed in vain. Political dogma and blinkered ideology seem to be prevailing. The impression I have of the brexiteers is that they’d rather stand fast on the bridge even though the ship is sinking and there are lifeboats available.


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    largewhite
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    The same can be said for the brainwashed europhiles who cannot see the wood for the trees pom.

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    nifty
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    When both sides have worked out the cost and time it is going to take the UK and Brussels to unravel the EU stuff we live our lives guided by and get it all replaced. It may look better for everyone to say ” To hell with this …….lets find a way to give everyone what they want by tweaking what we have …….. ask them to vote on it and if accepted we can call it a NEW DAY FOR ALL “. fingers crossed it happens .

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    Or, New Deal. Itlr same cards, a few different players, same script only in this version everybody is guaranteed to loose except dealers and bankers.

     

    The same as it’s ever been.


    http://niftyone.wordpress.com/ 'Life is short, art long, opportunity fleeting, experience deceptive, judgement difficult'. Aphorisms Hippocrates
    #1752951
    Grumpy Yorkie
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    There is a deal to be done. Trump’s success has changed the rules of the game, perhaps the game itself.

    Standing in the way is the EU Commission and the other 4 unelected “presidents”. Both Druncker’s and Schultz’s rolling contracts are up next year. The nettle should be grasped but perhaps it will take other election & referendum outcomes to bring that about.

    The politicians need to get real and take control. It’s only a question of when.

    In the meantime, if you were Prime Minister of the UK, what would you do?

    Play hardball

    Give the rabid Brexiteers scope

    Give a future date for invoking Article 50

    Play for time

    Don’t insult either American presidential candidate

    Sound familiar?

    Mayormaynot has played a blinder, so far. The Trump result was not foreseen, but they say you can make your own luck.

    German friends all – independently – say the same ……. Merkel is likely to be re-elected, but only if she changes her stance on immigration and free movement. The signs are already there.

    It will be a bumpy road, as the unelected EU bureaucrats see the gravy train being dismantled and rail (!) against it but the EU project cannot exist without the UK. In particular, it’s financial contribution.

    Haven’t even mentioned NATO yet.

    S.


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    nifty
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    ‘There is a deal to be done. Trump’s success has changed the rules of the game, perhaps the game itself’.

    Whist or Charads?

    In the meantime, if you were Prime Minister of the UK, what would you do?

    Play hardball
    (To risky)

    Give the rabid Brexiteers scope
    (Give them enough rope)

    Give a future date for invoking Article 50
    (no)
    Play for time
    (yes)
    Don’t insult either American presidential candidate
    (do that and any respect that one has earned is lost)

    Sound familiar?
    (I reckon)

    ‘Mayormaynot has played a blinder, so far. The Trump result was not foreseen, but they say you can make your own luck’.
    AGreed

    ‘German friends all – independently – say the same ……. Merkel is likely to be re-elected, but only if she changes her stance on immigration and free movement. The signs are already there’.
    There is always hope

    ‘It will be a bumpy road, as the unelected EU bureaucrats see the gravy train being dismantled and rail (!) against it but the EU project cannot exist without the UK. In particular, it’s financial contribution’.
    Surely, that depends upon who’s line you are on

    ‘Haven’t even mentioned NATO yet.’

    S.
    Ditto.

    Of course there are many posibilities
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    #1752982
    andy72
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    Most in the UK want to retain access to the single market. Half want immigration controls on freedom of movement.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/16/uk-voters-want-single-market-access-and-immigration-controls-poll-finds

     

     


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    Bluebird
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    If I’m gaugeing accurately the climate in the UK – both that of the Government and amongst those who voted ‘out’ – I fear that you may have your fingers crossed in vain. Political dogma and blinkered ideology seem to be prevailing. The impression I have of the brexiteers is that they’d rather stand fast on the bridge even though the ship is sinking and there are lifeboats available.

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    Yes I think you are correct. The result in the US elections, for some reason seems to have given a shot in the arm to the Brexiteers. Now UK government ministers seem to be going out of their way to antagonise EU counterparts. It seems that Theresa May is calculating that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU. The notion of sensible negotiation seems to have gone out of the window.


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    pommehomme
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    Sensible negotiation requires sensible negotiators. Just look at the brexit cabinet committee membership and draw your own conclusions.


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    Next years re shuffle  over who can claim the credit  or take the blame over how things will pan out between Germany and Brussels regarding how they run the EU is being planned already it appears .

    The curse of the German presidency


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    Next years re shuffle over who can claim the credit or take the blame over how things will pan out between Germany and Brussels regarding how they run the EU is being planned already it appears .

    The curse of the German presidency

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    You really need to vary your reading material. Have you tried Enid Blyton? Great stories.


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    dantheman
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    The Daily Mail has been getting away with making up stories since it’s Hitler era before the war. Amico’s story tellers are amateurs from the same mold that nobody reads, thankfully.


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    The Daily Mail has been getting away with making up stories since it’s Hitler era before the war. Amico’s story tellers are amateurs from the same mold that nobody reads, thankfully.

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    No doubt you think this publication  is made it all  up too  …

    The Brief: Martin Schulz is in the running for three jobs


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    andy72
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    Brexit can to be kicked down the road?

     

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/21/theresa-may-cbi-corporation-tax-brexit-live/

     

    <!–more–>

    5 years of a transitional deal takes us to 2024. May will probably be an ex pm by then, many Brexiters will have exited planet earth, many others will have had enough, the number of pro EU younger voters will have increased, Farage will be working for Trump, who knows with a fair wind Brexit will become history?


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    amico
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    Andy wrote :

    who knows with a fair wind Brexit will become history?

    It may well become too expensive to push through and not only for the UK . The EU Multi Annual Financial Framework directs  money to be paid to member states  for all projects over a 7 year period .

    There is no reserve fund  for them to fall back on to cover unexpected financial demands .  The migration situation needs to be solved and funded .that was not expected ….Brexit  not expected …Trump  more  money to fund defence for a NATO pay your way demand not expected .  There are member states that can only push through promised national re structure projects with EU funding that would result in their people turning away from  the EU if cut adding to more problems for Brussels………They are looking for ways to get through their financial commitments  to 20 20 now without the added unexpected’s they recently had come along …..A delay in putting through Brexit to give time for funds to be cobbled together by both sides might be just what is needed


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    Theresa, my friend, is blowing with the wind
    Theresa is blowing is blowing with the wind

    [With apologies to Robert Zimmerman]

    When it comes to Brexit, the British PM seems to tailor her position according to the audience to whom she is speaking – viz. her speech to the CBI today. It doesn’t seem to have appeased the ‘captains of British industry’ and it is unlikely to make happy the Westminster brexiteers. It’s also likely to result in ‘the people’ exclaiming that it wasn’t what they voted for when they voted to leave the EU. One would have thought that the British PM’s advisers might have reminded her that you can’t please all of the people all of the time and, if you try to do so, usually you end up pleasing none of the people any of the time.


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