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    chris-le-bricoleur
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    Bentley,
    I don’t have any aversions against plastic piping. But since all the other plumbing in house, which I had to repair/extend, was in copper, I had the tools for and the experience with this material.
    If I would have to do a completely new water system in a house I would use plastic piping. You certainly know that plastic piping requires bigger bending radii (is this the correct plural of radius?) than copper, which can sometimes lead to difficulties.

    Good luck with your water system; you start from scratch i.e. the distribtion manifolds, les nourrices, I now have to replace my nourrices since I connected everything provisionally to the existing home-made distributors (soldered from T-pieces and short length of 14mm copper pipe), and with leaking spindle type valves.


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    Sorry to be negative, you have fitted a “Suspend” toilet, to my eyes it look like a old boxed in cistern unit, why didn’t you continue the back of the toilet to the ceiling, imho it looks better as a flush finish floor to ceiling than a box, also have you thought about any problems that may go wrong with it, you will have to pull the whole box to bits. I have just put one in our garage and have left the back accessible for future problems, the two that will be fitted in the house will also be accessible from the rear along with the two showers, as for tight bends in PER you put in a 90 degree elbow, same as in copper, a bit more expensive though. I will post some pics later this week. 8) Nos


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    @nosnibora wrote:

    have you thought about any problems that may go wrong with it, you will have to pull the whole box to bits. s

    If you go back quite some, this comment came up with the consensus that everything ‘could’ be done through the small hole for the flush. In fact a lovely comment, I think from Chancer, that after a few problems are sorted, one becomes so adept that it is possible to ‘wallpaper through a letter box…’

    Agree with you that suspendu loos look better on a flat wall, top to bottom and side to side. However, where the room is small, a ledge above the cistern is useful for storage, especially where women, and modern man, are concerned with the copious amounts of bottled liquids that accompany them.

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    Slawit Moonraker
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    While I assume the manufacturer of these type of loos will have taken everything into account and will be satisfied that the inside workings can be extracted through the “Letter box” helpful if you are gynaecologist, its the other bits that worry me, hence my idea to leave the rears of showers and toilet accessible just in case, over cautious, too long in medical profession I guess. 8) Nos


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    Tricia
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    It’s a lovely bathroom Chris, I specially like the lighting.
    As with Nos, sorry to be negative, but the only fault I would find is the ventilation – I know you’ve put in a ventilator but I like a window in a bathroom/toilet, for the condensation, and the smells.


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    Chanceux
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    I like toilet suspendu’s, I have 4 soon to be 5, like anything cheap and mass produced these days they have all had their share of problems.

    For me it depends what type of person that you are, if you take back things that dont work or expect to be able to buy replacement parts in the future, then perhaps they are not for you, but that probably can be said of any new WC even a name brand one.

    If you are prepared to take things to bits, modify and/or bricoler things to make them work then after some fettling they are probably as good as anything else, one I have only needed the float/seal attending to twice, the first time I wasnt 100% sucesfull, two others needed some surgery to even work from the get go without the faceplates falling apart everytime they were pressed, modified now but the true test will be when they have to suffer the abuses of paying guests, cant be any worse than having a large lever handle to magnify the force.

    To date all the repairs have been affected through the letterbox, they all have an isolating valve inside and the mechanisms can be removed and replaced with some dexterity.

    I too make a floor to ceiling enclosure with the top half being an armoire with shelves and usually louvre doors.


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    bentley
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    Aye Aye Chris-l-b, Thanks for the clarification (he says letting out a sigh of relief)
    I am all geared up to go plastic although the feeds/takes from the wood burners will be copper (sheathed in plastic where they go under concrete) and the feed/take from the solar is some sort of special stainless flexi insulated stuff.
    The rest is all plastic and as I understand it I will need to buy a special crimper to do the ends where the connections to taps and toilets and manifolds or the u bends will go.
    I may just be a tad lazy and run all the pipes to where they have to go and get someone in with the gear and experience to connect up, which I admit isn’t in the true spirit of DIY but may actually save some time, leaks, and therefore money.

    Although I think your toilets looks fine and dandy and there are merits to all the ideas mentioned, ie of a cupboard, or a shelf above, or just flush with the wall, I am not a fan of the suspended toilet as my mum used to work in A&E and they bought in a bloke where one had been faulty and broke when he sat on it. The injuries as described by her at breakfast put me off, not only breakfast but suspended bogs.


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    chris-le-bricoleur
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    Nos,
    in my opinion you’re not negative, just critical!
    I’ve also thought of the ‘box up to heaven’, but my wife and the doughters wanted the maximm storage space for their beauty utensils (why do women need 33 bottles each of make-up and de-makeup?). Another thought was to extend the ‘box’ over the whole width of the room, i.e. hanging the sinks onto this box. Rejected because this would limit the space between the sinks and the bathtub.
    You see, it’s always a compromise. Other people opt for other compromises.
    Accessability of the cistern components:
    There is really a big difference between the cheapo’s and the better toilets. I have chosen the relatively expensive brand ‘Geberit’ and have tested the accessability of components in their showroom. Remove the operating panel (not just a letterbox) and you have free access to the inlet valve and the flushing mechanism; both can easily be exchanged. According to them the biggest problem is in secondary homes where all water is drained in winter to prevent frost damage: the seal of the flushing pipe can dry out and become porous. But again, this is easily exchanged, just remove the toilet bowl and replace the seal.
    So, you’ll understand, I don’t see any problems (and did not have any in the last eight years).


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    chris-le-bricoleur
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    Bentley,

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    Nobody in our family is heavier than 75kg (can’t translate that into stones). :D

    Calling in someone with the proper crimping tools is a good idea. DIY does not mean that you do everything yourselves, sometimes it’s organizing things yourself. As long as you are the boss who makes the plans!
    Have done the same with my walk-in shower in the Netherlands; called in a friend who had the necessary tools and experience with composite tubing.


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    @tricia wrote:

    … the only fault I would find is the ventilation – I know you’ve put in a ventilator but I like a window in a bathroom/toilet, for the condensation, and the smells.

    Tricia,
    I do agree. Therefore I have installed an extractor fan and a window! Look at my pics. The window goes to a barn which is very drafty. Be sure, we regularly open this window!
    By the way, when a bathroom is placed somewhere inside a building with no possibility for a window, then the architect is forced to think about ventilation, since he has no window as excuse. And remember: for good ventilation you always need two openings, air entry and air outlet!


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    @bentley wrote:

    ….I will be asking various questions regarding the right French names for stuff. Glad to help anytime

    I ask as I am intending to run (already have in some areas) the plastic pipe in various sizes from my distribution manifold (by the thermal store) to sinks showers bath etc.

    Bentley, will it be “Multi-couche” for which you need a crimping tool or “PER” for which you need a sliding tool (to slide the retaining ring over the joint to seal it). The latter tool is much cheaper to buy.


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    bentley
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    Aha Riquet, there is a question to whihc I have no answer until I get back home. I have various sized red and blue) plastic pipe in gain 12, 16 and 20mm. That’s all I know but I am hazarding a guess and saying its PER as I remember hearing or reading that somewhere during the process so far.

    Once I can remember what I need I will be back on to ask for the proper names of the more technical (and basic stuff)


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    re window – I see it now, with a curtain, near the toilet.


    Tricia

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    @chris-le-bricoleur wrote:


    ………………………….I’ve also thought of the ‘box up to heaven’, but my wife and the daughters wanted the maximm storage space for their beauty utensils (why do women need 33 bottles each of make-up and de-makeup?)………………………….

    +1 :lol: …………………..it’s exactly the same here and in the UK…………….what the hell do they do with all that ‘stuff’ they always look the same afterwards anyway……….waste of time and money…….. :roll::lol:


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    @bentley wrote:

    Aha Riquet, there is a question to whihc I have no answer until I get back home. I have various sized red and blue) plastic pipe in gain 12, 16 and 20mm. That’s all I know but I am hazarding a guess and saying its PER as I remember hearing or reading that somewhere during the process so far.

    Once I can remember what I need I will be back on to ask for the proper names of the more technical (and basic stuff)

    Bentley, if it is Red & Blue pipe then it is indeed PER, if it is White then it is Multicouche. ‘Crimpers’ are available for both types of tube, or indeed a dual crimper is available which will cover both types for about 130€. That said ‘auto’ toolless fittings are also available.


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