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    Tricia
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    This article is quite long, but throws a new light on how to trigger Article 50 – it might need an act of Parliament?

    Nick Barber, Tom Hickman and Jeff King: Pulling the Article 50 ‘Trigger’: Parliament’s Indispensable Role

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    smiffyP
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    I don’t see the EU being very sympathetic to the UK’s problems/excuses of internal law and procedures. Their attitude at present seems to be that we should have thought of all that before, and having stuck our necks out and held a referendum, we can’t wind them back in again now without losing all credibility. If we try we will probably have to accept any conditions they care to impose, we’ve upset a lot of people, we’ve put ourselves between a rock and a hard place and the EU is not going to make it easy for us to crawl out.

    I do wonder if them stressing that it is irreversible is part of their psychological game, so make it clear that we will have to beg.


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    fittersmate
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    Article 50 can only be triggered by the UK government – officially – not verbally- not written on the back of a fag packet -it has to be official – and all the hustlers in the EU who think otherwise can wait their turn.


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    Well done T a good link.

    I have already in a three liner, elsewhere, affirmed the crown prerogative element for the executive.
    So really nothing to add on that but I will nevertheless read the article in preparation for future chat-ups with confused “remainers”. :wink:


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    Article 50 can only be triggered by the UK government – officially – not verbally- not written on the back of a fag packet -it has to be official – and all the hustlers in the EU who think otherwise can wait their turn.

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    That is correct of course, but I just wonder whether it is such a great idea to annoy the people you will eventually be sitting round the negotiating table with? And what else is going to be achieved by stringing it out, apart from irritating everybody?


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    Article 50 can only be triggered by the UK government – officially – not verbally- not written on the back of a fag packet -it has to be official – and all the hustlers in the EU who think otherwise can wait their turn.

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    I agree completely with your use of the substantive “government” in your first sentence.
    You are absolutely correct that the parliament is not involved executively with the Art 50 “trigger”.
    However it should be remembered that the Parliament WOULD be concerned eventually with the repeal of enabled EC/EU legislation and in particular the European Communities Act (1972),which started this horrible mess.


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    No need to push the panic button yet.

    The longer it goes one, the more sympathetic the French will become towards Free Movement being on the table. Hollande et all are petrified of Le Pen’s growing popularity. Other countries have similar fears.

    If this does come about, then the UK can have EU market access AND border controls. That formula is the key.

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    The longer we take to drag it out, the closer it takes them (the EU) to general elections and referendums in the other 26 countries.  Thats why the EU want it dealt with asap.

    Vive la Revolution ! :lol:

     

     


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    Anger is an energy !

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    violet
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    Sharpen the blade on the guillotine !  There is yet ANOTHER petition doing the rounds re EDM 259 Status of British Citizens resident in the EU and asking for clarification from the UK government (is there one ? more like a circus without a ringmaster at the moment !  ….I see that Boris has now decided not to run …one clown down, then !)  of  their rights to reciprocal health care and pensions, etc ………

    Not that it will get an answer I dont suppose ….and not something the EU can or would care to,  discuss !

    this could run and run …  meanwhile, I’m getting back under my rock ..

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    Char
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    ’tis an Early Day Motion;

    “That this House recognises that there is anxiety amongst EU citizens currently residing in the UK and British citizens residing in the EU about their own and their families’ situation following the result of the EU referendum; notes that the rights of EU citizens living in the UK and British citizens in the EU that are incorporated in the Treaty of European Union may no longer be applicable if the UK invokes Article 50 and leaves the European Union; celebrates the huge contribution that EU citizens are making to Britain and that British citizens abroad make to the member states of the European Union where they reside; congratulates British Future, New Europeans, Open Europe, the Institute of Directors, Migrant Voice, Migration Watch, Policy Exchange and the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants in calling for a consensus in the issue of acquired residency rights in advance of the referendum; and calls on the Government to move swiftly to clarify the current position regarding the legal status of EU citizens in the UK and British citizens in the EU in a situation where their Treaty-based rights are at risk of being no longer applicable, and to agree with the European Council the necessary safeguards and guarantees to protect the future status of these citizens, in order to remove uncertainty and allay their concerns.”

    http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2016-17/259

    Nice to know someone’s thinking about us – not that I expect it to get to debate though.


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    As someone in the UK said to me earlier this week – ‘you chose to move abroad, so why should those of us who stayed give a f**k about you and your plight’. Sadly it wasn’t until after I’d put down the telephone it occurred to me – and I don’t even like football or support the English team – that I should have started singing:

    ‘Ex-pats coming come
    They’re coming home
    They’re coming home, in thousands’

    Give us your benefits, give us your social housing, give us your ……

    And how long before they say that, on consideration, they preferred the Poles!


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    It all just serves to underline what a stupid and unnecessary farce the whole idea of the referendum was in the first place.


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    Here in Lincolnshire the local economy is largely agricultural and relies on EU workers from Eastern Europe to do the grunt work.  The local farmers are fuming at the result.  It’s not just that the Eastern Europeans work hard (and our neighbour pays them £14 per hour so it’s not for peanuts) it’s that they work at all.  Until such time as Poland, Latvia, Lithuania etc were permitted entry it was becoming increasingly difficult to find anyone to do the labouring work.  And this area had the highest exit vote!!!  I suppose because the immigrants have taken the jobs the locals wouldn’t do anyway?  Just shows what a waste a million years of evolution was.

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    It’s not just that the Eastern Europeans work hard (and our neighbour pays them £14 per hour so it’s not for peanuts)

    14 quid an hour or best part of 3o grand per year if it was full time. Blimey it doesn’t seem that long ago I’d have been delighted to earn that. Am I that out of touch now & that’s a normal labourers wage?


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