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    andy72
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    As someone in the UK said to me earlier this week – ‘you chose to move abroad, so why should those of us who stayed give a f**k about you and your plight’. Sadly it wasn’t until after I’d put down the telephone it occurred to me – and I don’t even like football or support the English team – that I should have started singing: ‘Ex-pats coming come They’re coming home They’re coming home, in thousands’ Give us your benefits, give us your social housing, give us your …… And how long before they say that, on consideration, they preferred the Poles!

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    Quite. Brexit = swap 1 million fit healthy young taxpaying workers from Eastern Europe for 1 million old duffers who will be clogging up Doctors surgeries, adding to hospital waiting lists, claiming WINTER FUEL ALLOWANCE and free bus passes and in my case occupying a UK house for 6 months of the year that currently houses a UK based worker.

    Well done Leave voters, you really thought that one through. :wacko:

     


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    #1726453
    jsks
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    It’s not just that the Eastern Europeans work hard (and our neighbour pays them £14 per hour so it’s not for peanuts)

    14 quid an hour or best part of 3o grand per year if it was full time. Blimey it doesn’t seem that long ago I’d have been delighted to earn that. Am I that out of touch now & that’s a normal labourers wage?

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    The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.

    As far as I know its the sort of money they need to pay to get people to work in the fields in all weathers.  We watch them from the window when they are harvesting.  It’s a shockingly awful job. Whether all the farmers pay the same, I’ve no idea.

    #1726476
    drift
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    Quite. Brexit = swap 1 million fit healthy young taxpaying workers from Eastern Europe for 1 million old duffers who will be clogging up Doctors surgeries, adding to hospital waiting lists, claiming WINTER FUEL ALLOWANCE and free bus passes and in my case occupying a UK house for 6 months of the year that currently houses a UK based worker.

    Well done Leave voters, you really thought that one through. :wacko:

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    Dreaming the life.

     

    Such a monumentally arrogant, ridiuculous post !!


    Anger is an energy !

    #1726478
    DominicBest
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    Quite. Brexit = swap 1 million fit healthy young taxpaying workers from Eastern Europe for 1 million old duffers who will be clogging up Doctors surgeries, adding to hospital waiting lists, claiming WINTER FUEL ALLOWANCE and free bus passes and in my case occupying a UK house for 6 months of the year that currently houses a UK based worker. Well done Leave voters, you really thought that one through. :wacko:

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    Such a monumentally arrogant, ridiuculous post !!

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    Anger is an energy !

    Why do you say that drifter? Your response makes no sense to me. Am I missing something?


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    And this area had the highest exit vote!!!  I suppose because the immigrants have taken the jobs the locals wouldn’t do anyway?  Just shows what a waste a million years of evolution was.

    Brilliant, that had me in stitches, something about this can of worms has brought out the best in your dry humour!


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    14 quid an hour or best part of 3o grand per year if it was full time. Blimey it doesn’t seem that long ago I’d have been delighted to earn that. Am I that out of touch now & that’s a normal labourers wage?

    Me too, that was the last time I was salaried way back in 1990, since then I have done alright but the convoluted ins and outs of business, the cashflow etc meant never a salary but occasional big drawings, not the same at all.

    Every few years I have to ask someone what is an average take home wage these days?

    I might hit the equivalent of £30k in euros next year, it will make me feel like a billionaire after the last decade.

    Nice to know that a well paid fruit picking job, albeit hard work, awaits me if I ever return to the UK.

    In fact it sounds like there could be jobs for everyone that wants them, assuming the indogenes still wont want to will they be begging us to return?


    #1726483
    andy72
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    Quite. Brexit = swap 1 million fit healthy young taxpaying workers from Eastern Europe for 1 million old duffers who will be clogging up Doctors surgeries, adding to hospital waiting lists, claiming WINTER FUEL ALLOWANCE and free bus passes and in my case occupying a UK house for 6 months of the year that currently houses a UK based worker. Well done Leave voters, you really thought that one through. :wacko:

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    Such a monumentally arrogant, ridiuculous post !!

    <hr /> Anger is an energy !

    Why do you say that drifter? Your response makes no sense to me. Am I missing something?

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    Mr Angry leave voter comes up with no argument just the normal arrogant and ridiculous one liner. Are we surprised?


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    #1726484
    tim17
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    Quite. Brexit = swap 1 million fit healthy young taxpaying workers from Eastern Europe for 1 million old duffers who will be clogging up Doctors surgeries, adding to hospital waiting lists, claiming WINTER FUEL ALLOWANCE and free bus passes and in my case occupying a UK house for 6 months of the year that currently houses a UK based worker. Well done Leave voters, you really thought that one through. :wacko:

    <hr /> Dreaming the life.

    Such a monumentally arrogant, ridiuculous post !!

    <hr /> Anger is an energy !

    Why do you say that drifter? Your response makes no sense to me. Am I missing something?

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    Mr Angry leave voter comes up with no argument just the normal arrogant and ridiculous one liner. Are we surprised?

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    Dreaming the life.

    A full Brexit without reciprocal healthcare arrangements and steadily reducing pensions will result in many retired Brits going back, they’ll have no choice financially.


    Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes (Wilde)

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    CelticRambler
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    Am I that out of touch now & that’s a normal labourers wage?

    Probably. There was a bitter tram-drivers’ dispute in Dublin recently. They’re getting something like 50k a year to push the stop-go-stop button and wanted more. Their employers told them to feck off, so they did, leaving Dublin within no tram service for days on end.

    This week, the city council approved a decision to authorise the conversion of the trams to driverless vehicles. :lol:


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    This week, the city council approved a decision to authorise the conversion of the trams to driverless vehicles.

    Lets hope Tesla don’t get the contract  :wacko:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36680043


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    When the UK has pulled the trigger, can it then try to stuff the bullet back down the barrel? The House of Lords seems to think that the UK can. The following appears on the Law Society website as a briefing note. Please read it carefully and then give particular attention to the final paragraph.

    Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union (TEU) sets out the process for a member state to withdraw from the EU. No country has left the EU before, although some territories – for example Greenland and Algeria – have done so. Until the Article 50 process is concluded, the withdrawing state remains an EU member with all the rights and obligations attached to all EU citizens, businesses and the member states themselves.

    The Article 50 process is triggered by a state formally notifying the European Council of its intention to withdraw. The intention to withdraw must be set out clearly, with an explicit intention to initiate Article 50 TEU.

    Negotiations for the terms of withdrawal then begin. At this stage the withdrawing state is excluded from the European Council and their discussions about negotiations to withdraw, as well as negotiations on the new agreement.

    The council, having obtained consent from the European Parliament, is responsible for concluding the agreement, acting on the basis of a qualified majority.

    Article 50 foresees a two-year period in which to carry out the withdrawal process, although this can be extended if there is a unanimous decision by all remaining member states on the one hand, as well as the withdrawing state. Otherwise, the withdrawing state ‘falls out’ and the EU membership rights and obligations cease to apply. It is in the interests of all participants to ensure that this black hole is avoided.

    Article 50 provides only for the process of withdrawal. The withdrawal negotiations and the negotiations for a new agreement on relations between the withdrawing state and the EU could be handled separately.

    The purpose of the withdrawal negotiation is to ensure that the EU membership rights and obligations conclude in an orderly manner. They will need to cover matters such as the rights of citizens and businesses from the withdrawing state who are living or operating in other member states and vice versa.

    The new agreement would set out the new legal rights and obligations between the withdrawing state and the EU when its membership ceases. These negotiations could take place in parallel but it might be that a withdrawal agreement could be concluded first and that the future framework would be settled at a later date.

    Until the end of the Article 50 TEU procedure the withdrawing state remains a full member of the EU. This means that, for all other purposes, the withdrawing state will keep its voting rights, institutional privileges and personnel in place. It can still influence the EU legislation, passing through the council and the parliament, and its nationals working at the commission will not be affected. All EU law will continue to apply, including EU legislation giving access to the internal market.

    Questions have also been raised as to the possibility of reversing a decision to withdraw after Article 50 has been triggered. This question was addressed by the House of Lords’ EU Committee in its report published in May. Both expert witnesses agreed that the decision to withdraw can be reversed before the withdrawal agreement has come into effect. The Lords Committee report also concluded that Article 50 is the only way of withdrawing from EU membership consistent with EU and international law.

    I wonder whether the EU agrees with the opinion expressed in the final paragraph above – or takes the stance that an Art. 50 notification is a one way ticket?


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    bricksticker
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    andy72   can you give us a link to anyone in the brexit camp that suggested removing hardworking immigrants from the uk. An immigration policy akin to Australia  is preferred, if there is work and housing for them then they will be welcome,  but i suppose if you have the time on your hands to think up armaggedon  type scenarios and put them on here then good luck to you .

     


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    pommehomme’s post – so the H of L is debating the legalities of the procedure to trigger Article 50. Which adds to the main point of the link I gave in the OP: Before the PM notifies the EU, should the subject be debated in Parliament, as implied in UK constitutional law? In which case there would be a vote, and who knows what the result would be?
    Or it might even need the Royal Prerogative?


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    No, Tricia, that’s not what I said. Please read the briefing note again and carefully. The final paragraph refers to a report published by a House of Lords committee and the views expressed therein appear to be those of two witnesses who gave expert evidence before the committee.


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    andy72 can you give us a link to anyone in the brexit camp that suggested removing hardworking immigrants from the uk. An immigration policy akin to Australia is preferred, if there is work and housing for them then they will be welcome, but i suppose if you have the time on your hands to think up armaggedon type scenarios and put them on here then good luck to you .

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    bricksticker

    The Brexit politicians may have said one thing but their tone was somewhat different.

    ALL immigrants are a threat to the people. That is what they voted for. That is what they expect.

    Reasoning is not and has not been a factor in Brexit.


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