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    andy72
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    Seems the Brexit bullies can’t tell the difference between an American sports journalist and the Gina Miller who brought the case to the high court.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37869797

    Reminds me of the mob who attacked a paediatrician when they were told about a paedophile living in the neighbourhood. Farming ignorance yields high returns for those who spread the manure.


    Starve the troll

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    roadrat
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    Reminds me of the mob who attacked a paediatrician when they were told about a paedophile living in the neighbourhood. Farming ignorance yields high returns for those who spread the manure.

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    Dreaming the life.

    About sums it up, many of those causing a fuss recently on radio and tv still seemed under the impression that Brexit had already happened the morning after ‘they won’. Not surprising really given the constant media comments about how the economic problems associated with Brexit haven’t been as bad as expected etc. I’ve finally stopped shouting back at the TV ‘it hasn’t f***ing happened yet’ , after some neighbours complained about my language :mail:

    Why on earth did nobody think to at least cover some bases in advance with the Brexit question? Isn’t hindsight great.


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    pommehomme
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    If you extrapolate from the ‘brexit’ logic, the result is rather frightening. If a vote to leave in the EU referendum gave the Tory Government a mandate to leave on whatever terms it pleases, to be exercised by way of Royal Prerogative and without reference to Parliament, surely it’s not difficult to argue that, after a General Election, the majority who form the Government have a mandate to apply, by way of Royal Prerogative, their election manifesto howsoever they wish without having any debate or vote thereupon in either of the Houses of Parliament. The Guardian’s point about the UK looking, at present, rather like Mugabe’s Zimbabwe doesn’t seem far off the mark!

    And before anyone shouts ‘nonsense’ and denies that there’s any threat of British parliamentary democracy being usurped, try to find online the interview with the female Tory MP (regrettably, I didn’t catch her name), on the BBC Radio 4 ‘Today’ programme this morning, who said, in answer to whether it might be sensible for an early General Election to be called, that this shouldn’t be done as it would be ‘too expensive’. Well, surely that will be the case in 2020 and so, as an economy measure (particularly when regard is had to what is happening and is likely to continue to happen to the UK economy in the near future), can it not be argued that there should be no General Election and that the UK continues with its present Government indefinitely? After all, the ‘brexiteers’ argue that even if there is a change in public opinion as to the UK and the EU there shouldn’t be another referendum. Thus even if the British electorate, in 2020, wouldn’t vote as it did in 2015, can one not argue that if there shouldn’t be another referendum, equally there shouldn’t be another General Election?


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    amico
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    On the today programme there was an item about Germany  so keen to keep the UK in the EU to assist them with its reform that they will suggest changes that will permit free movement  without the insistence of the  benefit payments to migrants  thus making the UK not so attractive a place for them to want to go to .  If only they had agreed to this when Cameron wanted it  we would not be where we are today .


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    nifty
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    If you extrapolate from the ‘brexit’ logic, the result is rather frightening. If a vote to leave in the EU referendum gave the Tory Government a mandate to leave on whatever terms it pleases, to be exercised by way of Royal Prerogative and without reference to Parliament, surely it’s not difficult to argue that, after a General Election, the majority who form the Government have a mandate to apply, by way of Royal Prerogative, their election manifesto howsoever they wish without having any debate or vote thereupon in either of the Houses of Parliament. The Guardian’s point about the UK looking, at present, rather like Mugabe’s Zimbabwe doesn’t seem far off the mark! And before anyone shouts ‘nonsense’ and denies that there’s any threat of British parliamentary democracy being usurped, try to find online the interview with the female Tory MP (regrettably, I didn’t catch her name), on the BBC Radio 4 ‘Today’ programme this morning, who said, in answer to whether it might be sensible for an early General Election to be called, that this shouldn’t be done as it would be ‘too expensive’. Well, surely that will be the case in 2020 and so, as an economy measure (particularly when regard is had to what is happening and is likely to continue to happen to the UK economy in the near future), can it not be argued that there should be no General Election and that the UK continues with its present Government indefinitely? After all, the ‘brexiteers’ argue that even if there is a change in public opinion as to the UK and the EU there shouldn’t be another referendum. Thus even if the British electorate, in 2020, wouldn’t vote as it did in 2015, can one not argue that if there shouldn’t be another referendum, equally there shouldn’t be another General Election?

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    Not nonsense at all. The above is the way that I interpreted the situation. I suppose that does not say that it is not nonsense.  :whistle:


    http://niftyone.wordpress.com/ 'Life is short, art long, opportunity fleeting, experience deceptive, judgement difficult'. Aphorisms Hippocrates
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    jsks
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    The Royal Prerogative cannot be used to overturn an Act of Parliament.  In order to exit the EU the Act for joining nees to be repealed.  This can only be done by Parliamentary approval. It’s a safety mechanism to prevent a majority government, or more accurately the executive, from just deleting Acts at will.

    It seems that those that are moaning about the High Court ruling have little regard for the process of law and have taken the slim majority at the referendum as a mandate to do whatever the hell they feel like.  Some half-wit will undoubtedly try to invoke Godwin’s Law but this really is the way the NSDAP gained power, and exclusive power, from a minority of the German electorate.

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    cj1
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    I am appalled that Liz Truss has made a late, grudging statement which doesn’t even condemn the newspapers who attacked the judges as ‘enemies of the people’


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    loopski
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    The Royal Prerogative cannot be used to overturn an Act of Parliament. In order to exit the EU the Act for joining nees to be repealed. This can only be done by Parliamentary approval. It’s a safety mechanism to prevent a majority government, or more accurately the executive, from just deleting Acts at will. It seems that those that are moaning about the High Court ruling have little regard for the process of law and have taken the slim majority at the referendum as a mandate to do whatever the hell they feel like. Some half-wit will undoubtedly try to invoke Godwin’s Law but this really is the way the NSDAP gained power, and exclusive power, from a minority of the German electorate.

    The first paragraph of your post has no direct relevance or bearing on the Art 50 question but it does fill up space.


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    loopski
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    What a disgracefully stupid judgment, without an “e”, by the High Court this week.

    No surprise at the response by the press and the MAJORITY of the population at large.

    Enemies of the people, state and body politic possibly a trifle harsh, effing stupid would have been sufficient.


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    Judgment, is that the same as an error of judgement?


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    tomdenne
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    Judgment, is that the same as an error of judgement?

    :grin::lol:


    Tom

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    jsks
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    The Royal Prerogative cannot be used to overturn an Act of Parliament. In order to exit the EU the Act for joining nees to be repealed. This can only be done by Parliamentary approval. It’s a safety mechanism to prevent a majority government, or more accurately the executive, from just deleting Acts at will. It seems that those that are moaning about the High Court ruling have little regard for the process of law and have taken the slim majority at the referendum as a mandate to do whatever the hell they feel like. Some half-wit will undoubtedly try to invoke Godwin’s Law but this really is the way the NSDAP gained power, and exclusive power, from a minority of the German electorate.

    The first paragraph of your post has no direct relevance or bearing on the Art 50 question but it does fill up space.

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    Like nearly all your posts, then.

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    Grumpy Yorkie
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    It’s sorted.

    Mayormaynot has done a deal on the negotiating team. We’re borrowing the men in green,

    Ireland 40: All Blacks 29

    Soft Irish borders? Watch the match. Bl**dy brilliant.

    S.


    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a '54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ................... bloody grand!

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    jsks
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    It’s sorted. Mayormaynot has done a deal on the negotiating team. We’re borrowing the men in green, Ireland 40: All Blacks 29 Soft Irish borders? Watch the match. Bl**dy brilliant. S.

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    Flat cap, whippet, Panda, V8 Jaguar, V12 Mercedes and a ’54 Sunbeam Talbot 90 called Josephine (obviously) ………………. bloody grand!

    It really was.

    #1751638
    loopski
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    Judgment, is that the same as an error of judgement?

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    Judgment is considered a “free variation” word, and the use of either judgment or judgement (with an e) is considered acceptable.[4] This variation arises depending on the country and the use of judgment in a legal or non-legal context.

    British, American, and Canadian English generally use judgment when referring to a court’s formal ruling.[5] Judgement is commonly used in the United Kingdom when referring to a non-legal decision.[6]

    Judgment is also used in Australian and New Zealand English when referring to a court’s formal ruling.[7][8] Non-English translations of judgment demonstrate varied spelling. For instance, the English translation of France’s Code of Civil Procedure.

    Just trying to educate you.
    Obviously a pointless effort.
    I shall desist and crunch another peenut.


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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