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    drift
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    Where is drift? Need an explanation as to just how it was that May was prepared to jettison Northern Ireland to keep her and the scummy party in power.

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    Always in such a rush Icey, chill out, some of us still have a career, kids, family and life to be getting on with. ;-) Anyways………. DUP were correct in blocking the bill put forward, they told May this weeks ago that they would do so. Why the surprise. ? Its also a reflection that the DUP can see the knock on effect it will have on the rest of the UK when Scotland and Wales call for the same status. Gibraltar caught in the canon fire next aswell. It has the potential to split the whole of the UK, so the correct decision. The UK leaves as a complete unit. Divide an conquer ? Still…. your all miles ahead of yourselves, nothing has been decided yet. Lets see what happens. Personaly, I think a border (of some sorts) in Ireland will need to be put in place and people just get on with it.

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    You say the DUP told May weeks ago. I also assume she must have revisited the issue before flying to Brussels yesterday. Did she therefore know exactly what she was doing. The DUP can now be seen as the only stumbling block to moving on to trade talks. What do your special contacts say about that. Thanks for your special insight Drift.

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    gfplux

     

    Just one link among many, dated 25th November…..

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/25/arlene-foster-dup-will-prevent-northern-ireland-internal-barriers-after-brexit

    The deal proposed was never going to be passed by the Tory back benchers anyway, the DUP are just the scapegoat.

    Please point out where I said I had special contacts ?

     

    A special deal for NI will cause a domino effect in the UK, or does the UK only mean England to some people ?

     

     


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    Where is drift? Need an explanation as to just how it was that May was prepared to jettison Northern Ireland to keep her and the scummy party in power.

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    Always in such a rush Icey, chill out, some of us still have a career, kids, family and life to be getting on with. ;-) Anyways………. DUP were correct in blocking the bill put forward, they told May this weeks ago that they would do so. Why the surprise. ? Its also a reflection that the DUP can see the knock on effect it will have on the rest of the UK when Scotland and Wales call for the same status. Gibraltar caught in the canon fire next aswell. It has the potential to split the whole of the UK, so the correct decision. The UK leaves as a complete unit. Divide an conquer ? Still…. your all miles ahead of yourselves, nothing has been decided yet. Lets see what happens. Personaly, I think a border (of some sorts) in Ireland will need to be put in place and people just get on with it.

    <hr> Anger is an energy !

    You say the DUP told May weeks ago. I also assume she must have revisited the issue before flying to Brussels yesterday. Did she therefore know exactly what she was doing. The DUP can now be seen as the only stumbling block to moving on to trade talks. What do your special contacts say about that. Thanks for your special insight Drift.

    <hr /> gfplux

    Just one link among many, dated 25th November….. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/25/arlene-foster-dup-will-prevent-northern-ireland-internal-barriers-after-brexit The deal proposed was never going to be passed by the Tory back benchers anyway, the DUP are just the scapegoat. Please point out where I said I had special contacts ? A special deal for NI will cause a domino effect in the UK, or does the UK only mean England to some people ?

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    Anger is an energy !

    Where we live the UK does indeed seem to mean England.

    #1814587
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    DUP have stated this morning, that they did not, at anytime, see the txt that was sent to Varadkar.


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    @jsks and therein lies the problem.


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    DUP have stated this morning, that they did not, at anytime, see the txt that was sent to Varadkar.

    So do you now accept that the PM of England (and accessory nations) was – and probably still is – prepared to decide NI’s fate to suit her own agenda?


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    More to the point CR………… do you now accept that it isn’t the PMs decision to make.


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    @jsks and therein lies the problem.

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    Oh indeed. This is an English Brexit for which the constituent to nations of the UK are supposed to accept meekly.

    #1814614
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    @jsks and therein lies the problem.

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    Oh indeed. This is an English Brexit for which the constituent to nations of the UK are supposed to accept meekly.

     

    Well…………..not necessarily, if you go down Andy72’s route looking at hypothetical figures etc…………. there is nothing to say there would not have been a majority leave vote in other departments of the UK.

    hypotheticaly………….with only a 62% turnout in N. Ireland, 67% in Scotland, 71% in Wales compared to 73% in England, a higher turnout could have swung the vote catagorically in the leave corner.

     

    Just saying.


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    @jsks and therein lies the problem.

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    Oh indeed. This is an English Brexit for which the constituent to nations of the UK are supposed to accept meekly.

    Well…………..not necessarily, if you go down Andy72’s route looking at hypothetical figures etc…………. there is nothing to say there would not have been a majority leave vote in other departments of the UK. hypotheticaly………….with only a 62% turnout in N. Ireland, 67% in Scotland, 71% in Wales compared to 73% in England, a higher turnout could have swung the vote catagorically in the leave corner. Just saying.

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    Anger is an energy !

    I see what you’re saying but you can only go by those who felt motivated enough to vote. By country, NI and Scotland voted remain and the English and Welsh voted leave. Considering that Wales and England are essentially the same country with the English having the wealth and the Welsh the better accents, it is clear that the U in UK is ironic in this case.

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    @jsks and therein lies the problem.

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    Oh indeed. This is an English Brexit for which the constituent to nations of the UK are supposed to accept meekly.

    I am not so sure about the accept meekly bit.
    “In a statement issued via Twitter, Davidson implied she believed May’s draft deal to offer Northern Ireland special terms under the single market and customs union risked bolstering Nicola Sturgeon’s calls for independence”

    Some good news for a change.
    And

    “In a further sign that the Scottish Tory leader is unhappy with the UK’s negotiating stance and is pressing for a softer form of Brexit, Davidson wanted to give May advance notice she planned to openly break ranks with government policy.”


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    More to the point CR………… do you now accept that it isn’t the PMs decision to make.

    On the contrary: if TM hadn’t prostituted herself (unnecessarily) to the DUP, she would almost certainly today be selling a done-deal to the hard-core Brexiteers in her own party.

    And going by the comment elsewhere in the UKsphere, I’m pretty confident that it will still be English MPs that decide what happens to NI (with a few other celtic voices b[r]ought in to make up the numbers).


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    In a Guardian article today, there are quotes from two DUP supporters (probably cherry-picked, but still …) that exemplify the ignorance that Dublin/London/Brussels has to deal with:

    McBride, 33, said she had no problem with a secured, fortified border. “If it stopped guns, bombs, explosives, drugs and illegal immigrants coming into Northern Ireland I would support it,” she said.

    33 years old, and she has no idea that in her own lifetime, a supposedly secured, fortified border did nothing to stop guns, bombs, explosives, drugs and a host of smuggled goods coming into and out of Northern Ireland??? :shock:

    Wallace, 32, added: “I travel a lot through Europe and was particularly impressed at the way Switzerland does it. They are surrounded by four or five countries and yet when you cross their borders there are no police, no army, no fortifications.

    It sounds like Mr. Wallace spends more time looking at his sat-nav than out the window! Or could it be that the irony of citing a Schengen-member state, that pays handsomely for the privilege of regulatory alignment with the EU, is lost on him? :roll:

    With voters like these proud of Arlene’s stand, I doubt she’s got anything to fear at the next election. :unsure:


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    @jsks and therein lies the problem.

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    Oh indeed. This is an English Brexit for which the constituent to nations of the UK are supposed to accept meekly.

    Well…………..not necessarily, if you go down Andy72’s route looking at hypothetical figures etc…………. there is nothing to say there would not have been a majority leave vote in other departments of the UK. hypotheticaly………….with only a 62% turnout in N. Ireland, 67% in Scotland, 71% in Wales compared to 73% in England, a higher turnout could have swung the vote catagorically in the leave corner. Just saying.

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    Anger is an energy !

     

    I am of the view that a higher turnout would have had the opposite effect. People who want change tend to get off their backsides, those that don’t, don’t which is why the majority of referenda in other countries require >50% of the electorate to vote for any change as substantial as Brexit.


    Starve the troll

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    Just when you think that nobody could make themself look dafter than DD along comes IDS

    Iain Duncan Smith blames imaginary election for Irish Brexit difficulties

    Never underestimate the determination of a Brexit supporting politician to make themself look silly.

     


    Starve the troll

    #1814890
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    Probably pointless to suggest it, but IDS might want to spend some time reading Irish internautes comments on the Irish government: confidence up 5% points this week, and nothing but praise (or keeping bad thoughts to oneself) for our negotiating team and the opposition parties, in the face of the shambles on the other side of the Irish Sea.

    The only thing that’s more confusing to the Irish this week, apart from IDS’s references to an election nobody knew was coming up, is why the SNL script-writers think the Irish have a thing about dogs … and what is that thing? :scratch:


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