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    andy72
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    The only party who has done anything that threatens the current situation in Ireland is the UK. Why do they expect anyone else to come along and sort out a problem they have created? Like everything else connected with Brexit, it is up to the UK government to come up with solutions to problems the UK has created all by itself.


    Starve the troll

    #1791773
    jsks
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    Britain doing something that creates division in Ireland?  Surely not.

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    CelticRambler
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    I see this topic has reared its head again: U.K. Can’t Make Irish Peace a Brexit Bargain Chip, EU Says

    In a proposal presented on Aug. 16, the U.K. said it wanted to avoid any physical border or customs checks with Ireland as part of any Brexit deal with the EU, calling for more “flexibility and imagination” to devise arrangements on the island of Ireland that preserve free movement of people and goods across the border.

    The document alarmed EU diplomats and Brexit negotiators who interpreted it as partly implying that the U.K. could wash its hands of the border problem and leave the EU to deal with the fallout.

    Speaking to reporters on Friday, EU officials said the U.K.’s paper on Ireland, while good on aspirations, is lacking workable solutions on how the North-South border in Ireland will work in the future. The officials said they were concerned about Britain linking the preservation of the peace process to the country’s future trade deal with the EU.

    “Lacking workable solutions” appears to have been the strategy of choice for TM & Co. since the outset; and so far, it would seem that the only half-way feasible arrangements being cited are “like Norway” or “like Switzerland” – both of whom have a much closer relationship with the EU than Brexit is supposed to deliver. :scratch:

    Anyone would think this Brexit thing hasn’t been fully thought through! :wacko:


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    pommehomme
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    Does it not require a brain to think?


    #1792408
    nifty
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    Ah,but! We must apply the logic of BE.

     

    and see the result


    http://niftyone.wordpress.com/ 'Life is short, art long, opportunity fleeting, experience deceptive, judgement difficult'. Aphorisms Hippocrates
    #1798277
    drift
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    Should Ireland reunite it is clear that the Republic cannot afford to subsidise the North in the way it is currently subsidised by Westminster unless the EU steps in to underwrite reunification.

    But regardless of the financial arguments the hardcore so-called Loyalists will ensure that any such transition to a politically unified island would be plagued by dissent and disruption. You only need lo ok back over the bile spewed on this forum by a member who drifts in and out to see the mountain of moronity that needs to be climbed.

    Ahhhh….. ok……… So you seem to think its alright as long as its republicans creating the dissent and disruption then ? They are the only group in N. Ireland who are continuing a terrorist campaign.

    They are the problem !

    Northern Ireland is British, you appear to be under some delusion that, the “majority” which is the Unionist population, should just roll over and hand their country to Ireland…….. lol Amazing !!

    Maybe England should just hand the country over to Scotland, or better still the Scots should just give up their nation to Wales. I’m sure the English wouldn’t be too upset being part of Scotland, nor the Scots being too bothered as part of Wales. Still…… at least they will have the same currency, British Healthcare, Polce service etc.

    As for the “bile” you accuse me of spewing, well……. unfortunately its the truth. You clearly find that hard to accept, as it doesn’t fit in with your blinkered agenda.

    Foolish, misconceived and wrong……… although that’ll be something else, you and others on here will find hard to swallow as you/they are never wrong. (in your own mind anyway).


    Anger is an energy !

    #1798300
    loopski
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    Thankyou for drifting in and delivering an inspired contribution against unbridled lbgt bigotry.


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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    roadrat
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    oh dear. Such blinkeredness, is that a word. What you fail to understand is that you and your DUP mates support of Brexit has changed everything. Your ‘British’ let alone the Great bit, is history. We are now on the cusp of reverting to being only welsh. Scottish or English and you are only northen Irish. Reunification is coming at you like afreight train, such irony that you effectively set it rolling :yahoo:


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    drift
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    It may be of interest for you to learn………………………  There is more than one unionist party in N. Ireland.

    DUP were only elected by default, due to a hardline approach by SF.

     

    Edit:  Reunification will not happen, when the Good Friday Agreement was signed Ireland gave up any constitutional right to N. Ireland.

    You need to do a little bit more research before wading in, light on facts.

     


    Anger is an energy !

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    roadrat
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    It may be of interest for you to learn……………………… There is more than one unionist party in N. Ireland. DUP were only elected by default, due to a hardline approach by SF. Edit: Reunification will not happen, when the Good Friday Agreement was signed Ireland gave up any constitutional right to N. Ireland. You need to do a little bit more research before wading in, light on facts.

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    Anger is an energy !

    All minor details in the scheme of things now. You should realise that nobody cares what sort of Irish you are, just as I don’t care what god you or anyone else kneels to. Once upon a time such things as the Good Friday agreement were important, but in the new post Brexit vote reality they mean jack, just as destroying the hopes and dreams of few million people on the whim of a bunch of Neanderthals is considered okay now.  The world has changed and not for the better, ironically being bigoted and blinkered is now the new normal, which makes it so boring.


    #1798370
    drift
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    It may be of interest for you to learn……………………… There is more than one unionist party in N. Ireland. DUP were only elected by default, due to a hardline approach by SF. Edit: Reunification will not happen, when the Good Friday Agreement was signed Ireland gave up any constitutional right to N. Ireland. You need to do a little bit more research before wading in, light on facts.

    <hr /> Anger is an energy !

    All minor details in the scheme of things now. You should realise that nobody cares what sort of Irish you are, just as I don’t care what god you or anyone else kneels to. Once upon a time such things as the Good Friday agreement were important, but in the new post Brexit vote reality they mean jack, just as destroying the hopes and dreams of few million people on the whim of a bunch of Neanderthals is considered okay now. The world has changed and not for the better, ironically being bigoted and blinkered is now the new normal, which makes it so boring.

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    Of course your correct once again, I bow down to your superior knowledge.

    As I said in a previous post…… a few people on here find it hard to admit they are wrong.

    I assume your post is some kind of feeble attempt at wriggling out of the fact that your wrong and are too self rightous to admit it, apart from the fact that everything in your post is “your opinion”.


    Anger is an energy !

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    roadrat
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    What are you accusing me of being wrong about? I’ve never pretended to know much about the subtleties of Irish religion and politics. Who does or cares outside of N ireland? My point is that not so long ago the Irish question was a big problem compared with the comfy lives elsewhere in the British Isles( do they include Eire?) never sure. Unfortunately for  you everything else is so ****ed up that your little squabbles now pale into insignificance.


    #1798376
    drift
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    You were wrong about reunification.

    Unfortunately there are so many little squabbles (as you put it), such as Catalonia, Gibraltar, Falklands, Myanmar, Ukraine, Israel, Egypt, Turkey, etc etc….

    N. Ireland is just another one on the list that people don’t care about because it doesn’t affect them.

    (and because the major military campaigns have reduced, thankfully)

    You mentioned blinkered before somewhere.


    Anger is an energy !

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    justajock
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    Welcome back Drift, I love reading a knowledgeable post or 2!

    Thing is everybody seems to have an opinion but few have the knowledge to back them up ;-)


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    crystal
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    Some interesting comments, but IMO it is only those who have lived most of their lives in Northern Ireland who can possibly understand the mentality of the Nor’n Irish people.

    Everyone who lived in Northern Ireland during the 30 years of ‘troubles’ was affected by them and the ‘wounds’ left will take several more generations to heal, if ever….

    It is too soon. Until those who witnessed the horrors first hand (from any standpoint) are gone, there is no chance of Ireland becoming united and it will not happen in our lifetime, if ever….

    Unfortunately hatred for ‘the other side’ is still drummed into children from birth and with their religiously-affiliated schooling system, attitudes and prejudices are only reinforced.

    In my opinion there isn’t, never was and never will be, real peace in Northern Ireland,  the two ‘sides’ will never live together in true harmony and any attempt to unify the island of Ireland will result in ‘troubles’ much worse than before.

     

     

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