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    freddy22552
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    Hi everyone,

    We are in the process of having a new kitchen and need to buy some new double wall sockets. We would like the type that are sunk into the wall with just the face plate flat against the tiling. I believe I need to get the plastic cages that fit in the holes made in the wall for the face plate to screw into. My problem is that there is such an array of choice shapes and colours that I’m a bit unsure what to get. Are they all universal?

    Cheers

     

    Fred


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    badger
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    There are various “boîtes d’encastrement” available, & do not be misled by the colours – they are whatever the manufacturer fancied to make them & do not dictate their use. What type you need will depend on the type of wall you need to fit them in i.e. buy ones that say they are for placo for plasterboard, maconnerie for block walls, or you can get some for “multimateriaux” which can do both.

    If you are using placo then it’s worth using the ones that are air sealed (étanche) as they not only stop draughts through the sockets but the membranes for the entry/exit of gaines help to keep them in place (the gaines that is).

    As ever, cheap means cheap. I’d recommend a decent brand, such as Legrand or BLM. If you’ve never fitted a box in placo the I suggest you do a trial one in an offcut of placo. A decent box properly fitted will not cause you problems, but a loose one will. For sockets, another tip is to use 50mm deep boxes as it’s less of a squeeze for the wiring.

    P.S. If you tiling around sockets you need to ensure that the tiles are cut to go under the face of the socket i.e. you make a sandwich of plastic box/tile/socket. This may entail getting longer screws to mount them in the box.


    Jonathan Badger - St Germain de Tallevende 14500 http://www.badgerlx.fr

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    freddy22552
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    Thanks Badger. Very informative

     

    Fred


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    Freddy,

    Note that some double sockets need to be wired, one side to the other, as well as in line on a circuit – I recommend you avoid these as they are always tight and fiddley. I have found the Legrand the easiest to use. The sockets are already connected internally and there are two sets of L,N &E points to fix to which makes the in and out of the line circuit dead easy. Their flush plates look good too.

    Good luck.


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    I’ve never seen the sealed boxes in the cheap DIY sheds I frequent.   They sound good.   I do make a habit of buying the deepest ones I can find because I like to leave a generous amount of wire behind the fitting.  Might make it a bit easier for changes later on.


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    loup
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    I’ve never seen the sealed boxes in the cheap DIY sheds I frequent.   They sound good.

    Not sure they were around when I did a rewire on the last house.  I used silicon to seal the boxes which sorted out any draughts.  Would I use the sealed ones now,  quite expensive but as well as being sealed they seem to be a lot more robust plastic, so maybe!


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    badger
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    I’ve never seen the sealed boxes in the cheap DIY sheds I frequent.

    I can vouch for their availability in all the major sheds that I know of. Getting 50mm deep versions in such places is more of challenge, though all decent wholesalers have them.


    Jonathan Badger - St Germain de Tallevende 14500 http://www.badgerlx.fr

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    mikej
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    Some French electrician is going to get a big shock when they work on our place after we sell, Acoustic fire rated back box’s and gain attached by screw glands and fire rated recessed lights on the lower floors, (as it should be) belt and braces, but its my house, where I and my family stay, not installing to a minimum standard to make a profit.

    Mike


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    jeff58
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    If using placo, do invest in the proper sized hole saw.

    What out for offset screws: in single socket boxes, mounting the box with the socket mounting screws along the vertical/horizontal axes can lead to the socket ending up on a slope.

    And can someone link to the prewired Legrand doubles? I’ve used Mosaic and they certainly need hard-wiring. It’s a PITB.

    Also: why are French sockets soooooo damnably expensive? I can get an MK hard wired double, with switches and a back box for around £5 in the UK, where a Mosaic double with back box costs over €20 once all four bits have been purchased. :negative:


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    le-dolly
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    And can someone link to the prewired Legrand doubles?

     

    Just search for “double prise precablee legrand mosaic”.


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    badger
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    And can someone link to the prewired Legrand doubles?

    Double socket in the Niloé range can be found here, & their double facias here.

    There are prewired double socket modules available for Mosaic, but Niloé is better value overall (& not everyone wants angled sockets!).


    Jonathan Badger - St Germain de Tallevende 14500 http://www.badgerlx.fr

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