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    kingfisher1
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    Hi there

    We are doing a complete re-wire to an old Farmhouse and we have been told it will be clasified as a new installation if we ask for an up grade power to house. We have already got an Edf connection at house and getting a regular bill, is this correct?

    On this basis we have been told by our electrician we have to have 1 RJ45 tele-phone point in each bedroom, 1 in cusine and 1 Salon, which makes a total 7! costing @ € 110 each + htt because of F/N requirements

    This seems crazy in this digital age of needing just one, with plug sockets
    only for the extentions

    Can anybody throw some light here an possible solutions!


    • This topic was modified 02 Sep 2014 18:14 by  Char.
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    peake
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    That is the new norm now same as the Gaine Technique Logement should be if its a complete re-wire, I think that I am right but stand to be corrected by others in the game


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    tempsperdu
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    If each RJ45 is brought back to a patch panel, you can decide if it’s for telephony or data… handy for sharing internet around a house which has thick walls that Wifi struggles to get through…

    I think there is a similar requirement to have TV coax points as well isn’t there?

    Steve


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    peake
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    Legrand do a website for electrical requirements, I will have to have a search through my external hard drives etc to find it , If I do come accross the details I will post them

    Edit: Done a quick Google and come up with this
    http://www.legrand.fr/part/legrand-le-t … 3_303.html

    The Complete works in PDF 5.44mb so it might take a bit of time to down load

    http://www.legrand.fr/ImgContenu/File/G … alogue.pdf


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    tempsperdu
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    Thanks for those links Peake the PDF is excellent, pictures like that are so easy to understand!!

    Regards
    Steve


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    peake
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    I have found another PDF file for the communications, TV, Satellite, Internet, and phone; how to group them into one box and then distribute the outlets throughout the house

    http://www.legrand.fr/ImgContenu/File/G … alogue.pdf


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    martin4roberts
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    Kingfisher1, Peak and Steve have given you chapter and verse on the requirement, to which I wish to add a little experience gained painfuly. (split infinitive ?)

    1 Electricians don’t know data networks so will install the RJ45 sockets and then put telephone grade cable on them, PTT 298 (grade 1)is the spec for this but this is the lowest grade. I’m hoping that my installation will work my fingers are as crossed as the wire ! Ask for a higher grade CAT5e at minimum then it will do what its supposed to. Grade 6 in terms of the specs that Peak linked to will do your TV as well then no need for the extra TV sockets.

    2 France telecom don’t know data networks( yes same story ) and will try and terminate the phone cable on their connection block cutting of the tails left by the electrician too short to go to the patch panel which no more that 100mm from the FT box but he can’t see it.

    I thought I had it all planned but hasn’t bargained on the various artisans comfort zones.

    Bonne chance…m


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    gallicolelegallipote
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    O h h Sh**te.
    Wrong again! I’ll have strip out all my HDMIs and 8:1 Surround sound cables then.


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    etvoila
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    The new normes requiring RJ 45 communication sockets only apply (from memory) for all planning applications dated after 01/01/2008, so if you have an aplication that preceeds this date the Consuel will accept a standard installation.

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    tempsperdu
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    Whilst that is true Etvoila. The new standard does give you the maximum of flexibility in terms of data and phone around the house.

    If you add in say using DECT phones in some rooms then you can use the sockets for data for either your PC or say remote speaker by using things like the Apple Airport Express:

    http://www.apple.com/uk/airportexpress/

    You can use these wireless or wired and use them to stream audio from iTunes… iTunes sees the Airport Express as remote speakers.

    Steve


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    mamamia
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    Yes our electrician has recommended we have these in our new build as it is now regulations.


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    etvoila
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    @tempsperdu wrote:

    Whilst that is true Etvoila. The new standard does give you the maximum of flexibility in terms of data and phone around the house.

    If you add in say using DECT phones in some rooms then you can use the sockets for data for either your PC or say remote speaker by using things like the Apple Airport Express:

    http://www.apple.com/uk/airportexpress/

    You can use these wireless or wired and use them to stream audio from iTunes… iTunes sees the Airport Express as remote speakers.

    Steve

    I totally agree and it is a good move forward by the French Normes to bring all new housing stock up to a standard level of comfort in France, and I am all for multifunctional prises de communication, but the point I was making is that many people – (including lots of my clients), have started their renovations using standard outlets and I think that it is wise to mention that there is no need to change existing installations to meet these new standards, or to invest in new equipment, as many people may be worried into having to change their existing installations.

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    downtowntrain
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    Hi, have just come over to live, was electrician in london, was always registered with NIC EIC so am used to regs book

    Have read many postings mentioning electrical books, electrical problems
    and what you can do and can not do, but no one mentions a current french electrical regulation book

    Does it exist, if so what is it called and where do i buy it.


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    tribehou
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    Hi all, i’m about to start rewiring an old property which has some new (3 year old) and some old (1950’s?)wiring. I’m seeking advice;
    1) Is it mandatory to install telephone/internet etc/ At the moment there is no connection to phone service thought the old phone cables are in place?
    2) I’m assuming that all wiring can be done by myself but i will have to have edf inspect the work and make the final connections?

    By the way, i was advised to buy ‘Le Grand Livre de l’Electricite’ and i can confirm it’s a very comprehensive guide though i am a little unsure about some aspects, hence the questions above.
    Much obliged


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    badger
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    There is often confusion &/or denial about the requirements for TV & telephone (PTT) outlets here in France. Hopefully what follows will help to clarify things.

    French domestic wiring regulations (NF C 15-100) specifies certain minimum amounts of power sockets, lights, communications outlets (TV & phone points) etc. These minimums apply to new builds & total rewires of existing property if they are to comply with regulations in force at the time of inspection*.

    The normes specify that there should be a “prise de communication” (deemed to be an RJ45 type socket) in all “pièces principal”. So, that means that all obvious rooms such as lounges, dining rooms, bedrooms, studies, etc. (plus the kitchen) need to have one, with the minimum total being two (for a small apartment I guess).

    However, this is not to be misinterpreted to mean that all rooms need both a TV & a phone/communications point. This is because a “prise de communication” is ultimately intended to supply all communications needs from the one outlet i.e. phone, computer network/internet & TV signals. How this works is another subject, but if the cabling used for these outlets isn’t up to the necessary standard to take the higher frequencies required for terrestrial TV &/or satellite TV signals it will still be necessary to install TV outlets (“prises de type coaxial”) where they are required. As you’d expect, there is a minimum specification for this, being:

    Two coaxial outlets for accommodation up to to 100m² habitable area.
    Three coaxial outlets for accommodation over 100m² habitable area.
    A place with under 35m² habitable area is allowed to get away with only one TV outlet.

    All communications outlets need to be placed adjacent to a power outlet to allow easy connection of associated equipment i.e. cordless phone base stations, answering machines, computers etc. The same principle applies to TV outlets if they are in separate locations.
    Don’t forget if you wish to record from satellite TV whilst watching a different channel you will need to have two dish feeds installed to your receiving equipment.

    Personally I think this is all quite sensible & takes future needs into account, but I appreciate that the whole multi-purpose communications socket thing is a bit confusing at first.

    *Any new build or renovation that has had a permis de constuire logged on or after 01/01/2008 needs to have RJ45 outlets rather than the old style inverted T shaped phone points, & have the points wired in Cat 5 (or better) cable. Any new build or total rewire then has all the TV & phone cables wired back to a central point (the “tableau/coffret de communication”) where they can be patched accordingly. This might sound complicated but it is a bit of “future proofing” & is there to enable such points to be multi-purpose phone, LAN & TV outlets if so desired, as already mentioned. That’s one on the left below.

    A final tip about TV sockets: It’s a good idea (but a bit more expensive) to use the triple TV outlets that have a satellite F connector, & male & female co-ax outlets for TV & FM radio, as on the right above. These are fed via one cable, with the different frequency signals being merged onto it inside your tableau de communication, or even at the dish &/or aerial position.


    Jonathan Badger - St Germain de Tallevende 14500 http://www.badgerlx.fr

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