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    pp-chris
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    France a disgrace?

    Chris

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    thomas16
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    Yeah, totally agree…

    :cry:


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    murkybuckets
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    More accurately the Dwarf and his gang amoral, corrupt, troughing pigs, are a disgrace.


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    pp-chris
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    Ahhh, perhaps you’ve been reading THIS

    Chris


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    murkybuckets
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    Yep. Woerthgate.
    You can always rely on the self replacing Paris political elite to come up with the mother of all scandals.
    Strangely no one on TF seems to have noticed :wink:


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    pp-chris
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    Strangely no one on TF seems to have noticed

    That’s because everything is lovely here and the wines cheap. Who needs to know what’s going on? I certainly don’t, back out to humping wood, (humping as in transporting that is).

    Chris


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    graemebowring
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    So are we saying there are no self-satisfying, corrupt officials in the UK? At least the French say it how it is in general!


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    murkybuckets
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    @pp-chris wrote:

    I certainly don’t, back out to humping wood, (humping as in transporting that is).
    Chris

    Certainly safer than humping pitbulls like that nutter in Oise. :D


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    parsnips
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    Hi,
    Something that seems to have passed unnoticed (even by the commission) is that the french are using regulations issued by the commission. Forum members must be aware of the extensive discussions over the years of the status of “inactifs” in europe. The EU’s own rules state that the right of free movement and settlement is available to workers and (for a limited period ) work seekers, and pensioners (provided they are not a burden on the state).
    “Inactifs” in order to settle in another EU country have to demonstrate that they have adequate health insurance and an income sufficient to prevent them becoming a “charge” on the host state.
    Whether the french are taking refuge behind these rules in order to get rid of a particular racial group who have demonstrably raised crime rates and social disorder in some areas, is a question which can be debated.
    I suspect that opinion in this controversy is divided between those who have had direct experience of the “rom” , usually working class rural dwellers, and the celebrity and “intellectual” lobby, many of whom have possibly never seen a gypsy outside of light opera.


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    infopikey
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    But if they are seen to be only applying the regulations to one identifiable ethnic group then that is surely discrimination.

    By the way, why the quotes around rom? And shouldn’t that be Rom, anyway.


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    lobelia
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    @infopikey wrote:

    By the way, why the quotes around rom? And shouldn’t that be Rom, anyway.

    I guess the quotes because it is not the English word but the French word.

    I think the troubling thing is not that France expells people who make no contribution to French life, do not work, do not pay taxes, spend their time begging etc, and therefore do not respect the rules. What makes me uneasy is the apparent targeting of one particular group.


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    @thomas16 wrote:

    Yeah, totally agree…

    :cry:

    Yep but how long before this thread is deleted because of some people. :cry:


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    Tricia
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    There was a young woman who used to beg outside Carrefour, for several months she was there. I spoke to her a few times and she said she was from Romania and wasn’t allowed to work (?) and lived in a car. I can’t believe she was receiving any benefits – you know what the french benefit system is like.
    I always gave her something as a member of my family was once homeless for a while.
    But it seems to me that anything would be better than begging for centimes in a strange country where you hardly speak the language and have nowhere to live. No health entitlements etc. Surely she would be better back home in her own country with her family. After all they aren’t physically abused in Romania?


    Tricia

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    jam
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    Exactly Tricia – you’d think anything was better than begging for centimes in a strange country.

    Perhaps I’m being naive in believing that if the beggar is defined as a refugee from their country of birth or permanent residence, they are legally entitled to assistance or benefits, at their nearest port of call.

    Perhaps I’m being cynical in suspecting that begging may sometimes be an additional, rather than a sole income.

    Whatever the case – as far as the article in the OP is concerned – it was Ms Reding stamping and shouting and getting herself noticed that I read, no real information or facts about the circumstances, so how can we make a reasoned judgement from an article like that?


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    trre
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    @tricia wrote:

    After all they aren’t physically abused in Romania?

    It depends who one believes, but some human rights groups allege that Roma in Romania are routinely discriminated against, cannot find work and are subject to frequent attacks by “native” Romanians that are not investigated by the police who are often complicit in the violence anyway.

    My own experience in Romania was that Roma were widely dispised – a bit like the way some Australians speak about “Abos” – but at that time the economy was in tatters and has much improved since, so maybe the lot of the Roma has too.

    I suppose if one is going to be poor it might as well be somewhere like France where the possibility of getting a good kicking is rather less then elsewhere.


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