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    jsks
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    The UK/EU agreement states that NI citizens retain their EU citizenship. The Good Friday agreement implies that all UK citizens are entitled to reside in NI. Logical conclusion, all UK citizens keep EU citizenship.

    Not quite.  The relevant part of the text states:

    …The people of Northern Ireland who are Irish citizens will continue to enjoy rights as EU citizens…

    So this will not apply to those that only have UK citizenship – so if you were from Yorkshire and residing in NI you would not have the right to Irish, and by extension EU, citizenship unless you qualify for and take Irish citizenship (ie a. you were born on the island of Ireland or have a parent who was born on the island in which case you are automatically an Irish citizen and are entitled to a passport; b. have an Irish grandparent and can therefore apply for citizenship by descent – this is not an automatic right and must be applied for [and how you apply depends on whether you were born before or after 1 Jan 2005]; c.  You meet the residence qualification which vary depending on whether your claim is via residence in Eire or in NI).

    I have mentioned before that one way a UK subject can gain Irish (and EU) citizenship, even if they have no Irish antecedents, is to move to either Eire or NI and live there long enough to apply for citizenship by residence.  Under the CTA UK subjects can live freely in either polity on the island, under the GFA you can maintain dual citizenship.

    As far as I can determine, the only downside of dual citizenship – at least currently – is the need to cough up the passport fee every 10 years.

    #1815311
    CelticRambler
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    There’s a whole new can of worms just waiting to be opened in respect of human rights, with NI residents automatically being treated as more rightfully human than their GB counterparts. And card-carrying Sinn Féin supporters will have (arguably) more protection that true-blue Unionists.

    Imagine the situation of a couple of gay lapsed catholics with Irish citizenship asking a proudly British protestant baker to provide them with a cake. The ECHR will have jurisdiction over the case, whereas two Leicester lesbians on holiday in NI, making the same request of the same baker wouldn’t have the same recourse.


    #1815316
    loopski
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    :grin:


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

    #1815318
    drift
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    There’s a whole new can of worms just waiting to be opened in respect of human rights, with NI residents automatically being treated as more rightfully human than their GB counterparts. And card-carrying Sinn Féin supporters will have (arguably) more protection that true-blue Unionists. Imagine the situation of a couple of gay lapsed catholics with Irish citizenship asking a proudly British protestant baker to provide them with a cake. The ECHR will have jurisdiction over the case, whereas two Leicester lesbians on holiday in NI, making the same request of the same baker wouldn’t have the same recourse.

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    Your posts are beginning to make you sound a little bitter CR, with absolutely nothing positive to say.
    Its appears you’ll grab any opportunity to have a dig at Arlene and her team.

    Sometimes its better if you have nothing good to say, then say nothing.

    After all the DUP bashing on this forum, it is the DUP should be thanked for giving you all some clarity in this matter. :roll:

    To single out Ashers bakery amongst hundreds to try and make a point is a little desperate.
    It doesn’t mean I or the N. Ireland public agreed with their decision. But thats for another thread.


    Anger is an energy !

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    #1815342
    mysty2
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    I think the OP should have done some more research before he or she posted. :idea: Its all just possibilities just now. Me I do not think the UK will leave the EU.


    #1815354
    andy72
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    Why Brexit will never happen

    Brexit will never happen, top economist predicts

    The thing is that politicians know what the effects on Brexit voters would be and the fall out for their electoral prospects. As we know, politicians only look as far ahead as the next election. It would be folly to give Brexit voters what they think they want only to face the backlash when Brexit voters decide it wasn’t what they wanted after all.

     

     


    Starve the troll

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    AnOther
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    #1815404
    CelticRambler
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    To single out Ashers bakery amongst hundreds to try and make a point is a little desperate.

    Who (or what) is Ashers? :???:

    And where in my post did I make any reference to Arlene or the DUP? :scratch:

    But on that point, it has been apparent over the last week that the DUP react like all the other Brexiteers with insults and incredulity every time someone points out that the unforeseen foreseeable inherent contradictions in just about everything that Brexit means. Unforseen by Brexiteers, perfectly obvious to anyone else. :roll:

    The only good thing that’s come out of these last several months’ dithering by the British is Ireland (Republic of) manoeuvring the Brits into agreeing that Brexit means no Brexit unless Westminster can describe in complete and coherent sentences exactly what GB wants and how it’s going to manage the practicalities of living with what it wants.

    The UK can walk away from it’s “divorce bill” and renege on its committments regarding reciprocal rights for EU&UK citizens, but since the DUP’s outburst at the start of the week, the UK has given a guarantee that GB will remain aligned with NI will remain aligned with the RoI/EU until such time as either NI is cut loose from GB, or the UK elects a functional government.


    #1815405
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    Ashers bakery they might be famous for making a good orange cake :grin: am I funny or am I funny. :eek:
    I hear this morning the cabinet are going to have a meeting to see what they actually want from brexit. I think they should have done that before May triggered article 50. :idea:


    #1815406
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    A very useful get out of jail card.


    Starve the troll

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    CelticRambler
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    I hear this morning the cabinet are going to have a meeting to see what they actually want from brexit. I think they should have done that before May triggered article 50.

    Don’t be silly – someone might have found out what they wanted, and that would have undermined their negotiating position. :wacko:


    #1815441
    andy72
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    How very kind MrGove.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42291191

    So relieved that you have given permission for democracy to continue after Brexit.


    Starve the troll

    #1815531
    loopski
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    That’s a relief DD clears loopylaloulou ‘s mind.
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    I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

    Brexit: May’s EU deal not binding, says David Davis – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42298971


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

    #1815533
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    Yep, just seen that on the Irish news. Great negotiating strategy, David/Theresa/Arlene! So if the “Border” agreement isn’t worth the paper it’s written on, then presumably none of the rest is either?

    What about those referendum ballot papers? Are they worth anything? :razz:


    #1815535
    loopski
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    And on Reuters more good news, no hard border, even after a HARD brexit.

    “Britain has ways to secure no hard border with Ireland post-Brexit, says minister” – http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-nireland/britain-has-ways-to-secure-no-hard-border-with-ireland-post-brexit-says-minister-idUKKBN1E40BN


    I would lie on top of the stairs and smell the cigar smoke of Castro.

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