Viewing 15 posts - 271 through 285 (of 306 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #1772201
    Spotty
    Spotty
    Participant
    Joined: 02 Mar 2009
    Location: Spottyville sur Hoegaarden & 85 because the UK is a dump !
    Total posts: 5829

    Calm down Dear & take a chill pill.

    No wonder the Scots have so many heart attacks.


    Je suis Spotty - FSM, he boiled for our sins !

    #1772229
    Avatar
    Bluebird
    Participant
    Joined: 01 Nov 2016
    Location: Dordogne
    Total posts: 462

    Things are not running tickety boo in Scotland. If that were the case everybody would be happy. After 300+ years of WM rule it got poorer and sicker than it’s so called equal partner in union. And we think that’s funny? The SNP have improved the lives of people living in Scotland over the past ten years and not just Scots, evrryone regardless of origin. If you had any real idea ypu’d be attacking WM govts instead of the SNP who see a leveling up as the answer and not a race to the bottom as proposed by post Brexit Britain. There’s a reason the SNP go from electoral success to electoral success. Rushed post. No time to proof read. Have a nice lunch. I Will.

    <hr />

    Well said.


    #1772232
    drift
    drift
    Participant
    Joined: 30 Aug 2007
    Location: Northern Ireland With Regular France Trips.
    Total posts: 578

    On the other hand if Scotland thinks it would be an equal partner in the European “Union” then they seriously need to have a word with themselves.  It is much easier to deal with one government than 27. The EU is not a Union, every country is in it for what they can get for themselves, especially the larger countries (Germany, France Spain).

    Greece is the perfect example at the moment, where they were bailed out with squillions of euro, just to keep the currency afloat, knowing full well they can never pay it back, whilst Brussels was printing more in the background.

    As for the race to the bottom, well, when Scotland eventually finds a currency they can adopt (most likely the euro) and the EU or Euro (whichever comes first) eventually implodes, it will be interesting to see who made the correct decision.

    I did have a nice lunch today Granny, thankyou.  I hope yours was just as good.  :good:


    Anger is an energy !

    #1772236
    Spotty
    Spotty
    Participant
    Joined: 02 Mar 2009
    Location: Spottyville sur Hoegaarden & 85 because the UK is a dump !
    Total posts: 5829

    I had a good lunch too, chili with some oatcakes.

    I was having oatcakes avec fromage when Mrs spotty asked if I’d forgotten the chili, which I had, so I had both. It doesn’t work :negative:


    Je suis Spotty - FSM, he boiled for our sins !

    #1772245
    Avatar
    Grannyschumacher
    Blocked
    Joined: 21 Nov 2016
    Location: Sheffield/Merignac
    Total posts: 175

    Dear god drift, adopt a currency? Have you not heard? Scotland is to be the first civilised nation to be denied a currency.  The UN had a big meeting when we were all out to lunch.

    Red herrings would be my preferred option. There’s plenty about.

    What intrigues me in this debate are the numbers from outwith Scotland who are so bitterly opposed to it being independent. I can only assume it has its roots in some teenage rejection. There is help out there.

    WATP


    In through the nose, out through the mouth.

    #1772247
    Avatar
    LePecnot
    Blocked
    Joined: 19 Oct 2016
    Location: N/A
    Total posts: 26

     

    Things are not running tickety boo in Scotland. If that were the case everybody would be happy. After 300+ years of WM rule it got poorer and sicker than it’s so called equal partner in union. And we think that’s funny? The SNP have improved the lives of people living in Scotland over the past ten years and not just Scots, evrryone regardless of origin. If you had any real idea ypu’d be attacking WM govts instead of the SNP who see a leveling up as the answer and not a race to the bottom as proposed by post Brexit Britain. There’s a reason the SNP go from electoral success to electoral success. Rushed post. No time to proof read. Have a nice lunch. I Will.

    <hr />

    Well said.

    <hr />

    Yes, well said. And your follow up too. It’s truly bizarre that there is so much opposition from outwith Scotland. Neo imperialists perhaps? Who knows?

     


    #1772249
    drift
    drift
    Participant
    Joined: 30 Aug 2007
    Location: Northern Ireland With Regular France Trips.
    Total posts: 578

    Dear god drift, adopt a currency? Have you not heard? Scotland is to be the first civilised nation to be denied a currency. The UN had a big meeting when we were all out to lunch. Red herrings would be my preferred option. There’s plenty about. What intrigues me in this debate are the numbers from outwith Scotland who are so bitterly opposed to it being independent. I can only assume it has its roots in some teenage rejection. There is help out there. WATP

    <hr />

    Whats wrong granny ?  Does the alternative side of your views make you feel a tad uncomfortable ?

    Scotland has a choice if they become independent, sign up to the Euro,  or having become an independent nation no longer having access to the GBP, they print their own Scottish pound.  Both scenarios create a little bit of a dilemma.  I assume the euro would be the way to go and the preferred choice.

    I’ve never proclaimed I wanted Scotland out, quite the opposite in fact, hence I look forward to them having their independence vote, which I’m quietly confident will result in the same outcome as the last one.


    Anger is an energy !

    #1772254
    drift
    drift
    Participant
    Joined: 30 Aug 2007
    Location: Northern Ireland With Regular France Trips.
    Total posts: 578

    I find it a little ironic, that the remainers constantly berate the UK decision to leave the EU, but feel quite happy for Scotland to severe ties with its homeland border countries.

    I think I can smell a faint whiff of double standards.

    lol


    Anger is an energy !

    #1772263
    Avatar
    cj1
    Participant
    Joined: 13 Feb 2010
    Location: 85
    Total posts: 2858

    I find it a little ironic, that the remainers constantly berate the UK decision to leave the EU, but feel quite happy for Scotland to severe ties with its homeland border countries.

    I think I can smell a faint whiff of double standards.

    lol

    <hr>
    Anger is an energy !

    On the contrary, the quitters were happy to vote for a blind leap of faith (which all threatens to go horribly wrong for the UK) and yet those same quitters don’t want Scotland to extricate itself from the UK. I used to believe the propaganda saying that Scotland was hugely subsidised by England, but the desperation to hang on to it makes me think it’s a valuable asset.


    #1772272
    Avatar
    Grannyschumacher
    Blocked
    Joined: 21 Nov 2016
    Location: Sheffield/Merignac
    Total posts: 175

    Scotland has a choice if they become independent, sign up to the Euro,  or having become an independent nation no longer having access to the GBP, they print their own Scottish pound.

    You are displaying a total lack of knowledge. There is treaty obligation to join the euro which is not enforced. I’m not wasting my time just now proving it but unless someone beats me to it I will do so in the next couple of days. Anyone, absolutely anyone can use the pound. That is fact. It is a fully tradable currency just like the dollar but I’m happy to stick with the red herring givem the £’s shaky future.

    I find it a little ironic, that the remainers constantly berate the UK decision to leave the EU, but feel quite happy for Scotland to severe ties with its homeland border countries.

    I think I can smell a faint whiff of double standards.

    Proving beyond doubt you are out of your depth. I could easily turn that argument on you. Stop for a minute and work it out, if you can.


    In through the nose, out through the mouth.

    #1772273
    drift
    drift
    Participant
    Joined: 30 Aug 2007
    Location: Northern Ireland With Regular France Trips.
    Total posts: 578

    On the contrary, the quitters were happy to vote for a blind leap of faith (which all threatens to go horribly wrong for the UK) and yet those same quitters don’t want Scotland to extricate itself from the UK. I used to believe the propaganda saying that Scotland was hugely subsidised by England, but the desperation to hang on to it makes me think it’s a valuable asset.

    <hr />

    Really ?

    You don’t think maybe Scotlands independence is a blind leap of faith which threatens to go horribly wrong when the failing EU or its currency eventually disintegrates ?   Furthermore…….. there is more chance of a snowball surving in hell than Scotland being an “equal” partner within the EU ? lol

    I’ll remind you again of the Greek scenario, Scotland may be heading headlong into the same predicament.

     

    You don’t think maybe the rest of the UK and government would like to keep the historical ties of the Union together since they are residents of the same island ?

    :wacko:

     


    Anger is an energy !

    #1772274
    drift
    drift
    Participant
    Joined: 30 Aug 2007
    Location: Northern Ireland With Regular France Trips.
    Total posts: 578

     

     

    Nice try Granny, but not quite as clear cut as your trying to portray.

    Just a small snippet to keep you on track…………..

    “This is the SNP’s preferred option: a currency union which would allow Scotland to use sterling and retain the Bank of England as its lender of last resort

    The obvious problem here is that the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats have all ruled out such a currency union.

    The Bank of England governor, Mark Carney, has also raised doubts about Scotland’s plan to use the pound. He said in January that an independent Scotland would need to give up significant areas of its sovereignty and reach a watertight deal with the UK on banking, taxation and spending if a new sterling zone were to avoid the risks and instability which had plagued the euro.”

     

    Not quite indepenence is it ?

     

     


    Anger is an energy !

    • This reply was modified 01 Apr 2017 19:56 by  drift.
    #1772278
    tim17
    tim17
    Participant
    Joined: 19 Jun 2004
    Location: 17
    Total posts: 2890

    The currency issue is an odd one because would the Scots (having just voted for independence from the UK) really want to continue to use sterling?


    Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes (Wilde)

    #1772281
    mysty2
    mysty2
    Participant
    Joined: 29 Jul 2012
    Location: N/A
    Total posts: 9603

    Scotland and why it should have a second referendum, the two minute version.

    David Cameron  who spent quite a bit of time telling us how wonderful the EU is now that there has been a change of boss, its a terrible place and we will be better on our own, rule fecin Britannia bla bla bla.

    The majority of England voted for Farages policy, hijacked by the true working class millionaires Boris and Gove. Lots were taken in by their lies and stories. No matter how you look at Boris he is a jack ass but you were taken in by him.

    Scotland does have a fairly vibrant economy and after the UK leave the EU, the London financial sector can easily relocate to Edinburgh, which has a well established financial sector.

    The Scots see the benefits of being part of the EU,  if they become independent and part of the EU, Scots can move to France without having to have an income of around 28000  to live here.

    The cracks are appearing is a good thread for the diehard EU haters. Let Scotland have the chance to make there own future and be part of the EU.


    #1772283
    Avatar
    Grannyschumacher
    Blocked
    Joined: 21 Nov 2016
    Location: Sheffield/Merignac
    Total posts: 175

    The currency issue is an odd one because would the Scots (having just voted for independence from the UK) really want to continue to use sterling?

    As things stand the pound is Scotland’s as much as it is England’s, NI’s or Wales’. If I had a say, I’d ditch it ASAP. But first I’d set up a central bank and take steps towards an independent currency, probably pegged to sterling initially. Intransigence by the UK with regards to currency would be seen as hostile by the rest of the world and Scotland, who at that time, due to said intransigence, would commence it’s independent existence as a debt free nation. You can’t have it both ways.
    Only when it had it’s own currency could Scotland begin the arduous journey to becoming a Eurozone member if it chose that path. One of the pillars of Maastricht is that your currency should be in the ERM for 2 years. It could choose to just use, not join, the Euro as Montenegro does. It could use the pound on the same basis or the dollar. But the red herring is still looking strong.


    In through the nose, out through the mouth.

Brexit
Viewing 15 posts - 271 through 285 (of 306 total)

You cannot reply to this topic.