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    slacko
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    Joined: 12 Sep 2003
    Location: Ille-et-Vilaine (Brittany)
    Total posts: 73

    Hi apart from the Maire who we intend to visit first in order to run our proposal by him, who else would we need to approach in order to get the ball rolling to set up a small campsite on our land with a max of 5 units. We propose using wooden cabins that are movable.

    I am of the impression that 6 camping pitches for tents requires a minimum of paperwork but wonder if using movable cabins rather than just tent pitches would put us in another bracket?

    If anyone is prepared to offer us advice/personal experience, we would be most grateful.

    Many thanks and best wishes for 2011
    Slacko


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    eurajohn
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    Joined: 24 Dec 2006
    Location: St Denis de Gastines (Dept 53)
    Total posts: 49

    Hi Slacko, my understanding of a “camp site” is one where customers arrive with their own accomodation i.e. tent, motorhome, caravan etc. I know that commercial sites do have fixed units for hire but the majority of business is from “passing trade” so not sure if the normal legislation for “Camping a la Ferme” type of business would be appropriate for your proposal.
    Good luck with your venture.


    John.

    #890809

    chrisieb
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    Joined: 25 Jun 2008
    Location: Here, there, everywhere, but always in France!
    Total posts: 3376

    Hi slacko

    I have sent you a pm with some information that I hope you will find helpful.

    Good luck.

    Kind regards
    Chrissie


    #890810

    sjch
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    Joined: 05 Jul 2005
    Location: Haute Vienne (87)
    Total posts: 8

    Interesting idea. What services are you allowed to provide for the six plot minimal setup? I’ve heard about this before and thought about doing it here. Is it permissible to supply a stand pipe / electric hook-ups etc. What about compost loo? Just wondering.


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    #890811

    flinton
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    Joined: 12 Jun 2005
    Location: st just
    Total posts: 73

    we are a small campsite in la creuse,the rules of several years ago where the mayor granted permission are long gone.You now have to go though full planning; which includes topographical survey of your proposed site. All electric hookups most conform to eu standards your sanitation must be approved as being suitable for the quantity of campers you intend to accommodate ie water usage per day and estimated waste, access to your site must also be a approved YOU must also have standard toilets and showers and ideally a reception area you will also need to be registered and with a camping a la ferme you have to be a working farm where people can join in with everyday activities ,we wish you good look with your project its a long haul but worth it in the end if you get it


    ronron

    #890812

    slacko
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    Joined: 12 Sep 2003
    Location: Ille-et-Vilaine (Brittany)
    Total posts: 73

    Thanks very much for your reply.

    What kind of insurance do you need – are the policy costs high?

    Slacko


    #890813

    flinton
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    Joined: 12 Jun 2005
    Location: st just
    Total posts: 73

    hi slacko we have public liability the costs vary between agents and its quite high so its best to shop around we ended up with axa hope this helps


    ronron

    #890814

    manouche
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    Joined: 11 Oct 2009
    Location: N/A
    Total posts: 1327

    As was stated, it is very hard to get a camping started from scratch, without a lot of funds being available and jumping through many (expensive) hoops. My thoughts are that it is far cheaper to buy an existing run down camping of the kind you want, that has the amenities required and build it up from there.

    If you build it from scratch with all the associated high costs that will be required, there is no way you will recover the outlay with just four or five units for an extremely long time, if ever.

    There is not a lot of difference between the regs for a large all singing family site and the small site you talk of and I think you should look at an existing place to purchase.


    Any errors in spelling or grammar in any of my posts, I apologise for. Some of us on this Forum cannot edit our posts as there is some glitch in the system.

    #890815

    jeveriss
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    Joined: 30 Jul 2009
    Location: N/A
    Total posts: 3

    I’m currently researching a similar project myself, and have looked through the regulations stated on the APCE website and have bought the factsheet for setting up a campsite also.
    From my understanding it’s pretty simple to start up a campsite which has less than 6 tents/caravans or 20 people at one time. You must supply certain facilities, which can be as simple as drinking water, toilet and hand basin I remember reading, but dont take my word for it!.
    Go to http://www.apce.com/cid95986/camping.htmlC=173 which should explain everything, if your french isn’t brilliant like mine then use google translate. :wink:


    #890816

    manouche
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    Joined: 11 Oct 2009
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    The OP mentioned 5 wooden chalets and even if movable, will need electrics, this brings in large expense for a start and I can’t see many takers of these huts if no water is available, so more expense in getting water to the locations, or at worst, a decent shower/washing/toilets/dish cleaning (to include hot & cold supply) area. I could go on about the’ expenses one will incur to make the site attractive enough to make it all worthwhile.

    What won’t be obvious, will be the many regulations that will crop up, so be prepared for a good deal of bureaucracy but best of luck to anyone going along this route as a way to make a profit.


    Any errors in spelling or grammar in any of my posts, I apologise for. Some of us on this Forum cannot edit our posts as there is some glitch in the system.

    #890817

    wonderous
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    Joined: 06 Sep 2010
    Location: After 10 years in France now living in the Welsh foothills
    Total posts: 483

    We have set up/built 2 camping a la fermes since moving to France in 2004 and both times the powers that ‘B’ made it as difficult and full of hoop jumping regulations as seemingly possible!!

    Technically/legally speaking you can’t name a 6 pitch site a camping a la ferme unless you are indeed a working farm, however there is absolutely nothing to stop you marketing your site as such.

    As has already been stated in almost all cases you will have to obtain detailed planning permission and in most rural areas where the drainage is via septic tank, then you will also have to have a special soil test.
    And there in lies an enormous area of potential cost. To explain our ‘new’ site has only 6 pitches and whereas my first site was exactly the same size and got away with only having a 3,000 ltr septic tank to cover the house and the caravan site which cost approx €4,500 to install; the new one which was only for the use of the caravan site had to have an enormous 8,000 ltr tank installed with an even more enormous two tiered soak away system. Doing most of the work ourselves it still cost an enormous budget busting €22,500.

    Despite my protests in numerous areas they all supported the soil test company! My argument was that all of our visiting caravans are 2 berth and we are only open for 6 months each year, however the calculations were based on the European average 5 berth caravan and the site being fully occupied for 365 days per year!!!!!!!!!!

    The sanitation facilities must come up to certain designated standards, for instance the entrance door must be at least 1.2 mtrs wide, because that is that the rules and regulations state.
    The electrics must comply to regulations and be signed off as such and then it comes to registering…………. you have to register with either the Chamber of Agriculture if you are a working farm (as we once were) or with the Chamber of Commerce and in turn all of the resultant cotisation authorities as we are now.

    It is an absolute minefield of red tape and in all honesty not really worth all of the hassle!

    But if you do decide to go ahead……… Bonne chance


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    #890818

    manouche
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    Joined: 11 Oct 2009
    Location: N/A
    Total posts: 1327

    Good post, glad to see someone who has taken that route personally and who has described the problems and costs. Only personal experience shows the truth about setting up this kind of venture.

    A fair time back, we had looked in the South to do something similar but decided to give up, on the strength of all the people that would get involved in the making of such a site and the huge costs involved.

    In the end we moved to the South West and bought a run down camping site for an excellent price and restored it. Much cheaper in the long run and also we had far more vans/tents and the annual profits were far better than we could have made with a small “camping à la ferme” type site but that is being wise after the event I guess.


    Any errors in spelling or grammar in any of my posts, I apologise for. Some of us on this Forum cannot edit our posts as there is some glitch in the system.

    #890819

    wonderous
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    Joined: 06 Sep 2010
    Location: After 10 years in France now living in the Welsh foothills
    Total posts: 483

    Yes when you look at it all with an open mind I can honestly say that these days with the ever increasing pressures of the establishment/authorities that anyone planning to set up a small caravan site would be mad !!!!!

    Some people we once knew who ran a small site close to Angoulem (it was quite a popular site in 2004) said to us when they heard we were planning to set up a site “you are mad, you will never make any money running one”.

    Since then we have found that wasn’t quite the case, but unless you are very lucky or exceptionally good at what you are doing and have a site in a location which is to die for and with very little true competition in the surrounding area and you employ niche marketing techniques then their comment is almost certainly true.


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    #890820

    euros
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    Joined: 08 May 2011
    Location: N/A
    Total posts: 1

    I’m new to this site and I stumbled accross this thread as my partner and myself are looking into setting up a glamping site/small campsite in Brittany but are just constantly hitting barriers with our marie and the advice we seem to be getting is don’t bother as it isn’t worth the hassle.

    As is suggested in this thread, it’s probably easier to purchase a run down site and build it up but there doesn’t seem to be that many around our neck of the woods! Does anyone out there have any tips on where to find listings for campsites which are on the market? I’ve searched online without too much success.

    cheers
    euros


    #890821

    chrisieb
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    Location: Here, there, everywhere, but always in France!
    Total posts: 3376

    @euros wrote:

    I’m new to this site and I stumbled accross this thread as my partner and myself are looking into setting up a glamping site/small campsite in Brittany but are just constantly hitting barriers with our marie and the advice we seem to be getting is don’t bother as it isn’t worth the hassle.

    As is suggested in this thread, it’s probably easier to purchase a run down site and build it up but there doesn’t seem to be that many around our neck of the woods! Does anyone out there have any tips on where to find listings for campsites which are on the market? I’ve searched online without too much success.

    cheers
    euros

    Hi euros

    Welcome to the forum.

    I am sending you a PM containing some information that I hope will be helpful.

    Kindest regards
    Chrissie


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