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    greyman
    greyman
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    Joined: 29 Dec 2007
    Location: Perigord Blanc (24)
    Total posts: 393

    Well blow me down. After nearly 2 years fighting Nontron tax office for a friend who was charged social charges on her 2011 rental income she has just received a degrevement for the full amount. Seems like they are all capitulating now. This after being told there was no way they could possibly agree with my interpretation of the DTT.


    It is what it is ....

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    subaru555
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    Location: Périgord Vert (24)
    Total posts: 176

    It’s the usual farce with the tax office in Perigueux (24)

    The Avis shows a total amount to pay that is 1984€ more that it should be!

    One of these years they might get it right first time, but I’m not holding out much hope

    Following an appeal by our accountant, a dégrèvement for 1 984€ has now been issued, just in time before the correct payment is due on Monday


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    sock99
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    Location: Dept 31
    Total posts: 98

    Regarding potential removal of UK tax allowance for expats:

    UK Gov consultation document here

    Send comments before October 9 to: nonresidentspersonalallowanceconsultation@hmtreasury.gsi.gov.uk


    • This reply was modified 13 Sep 2014 20:27 by  sock99.
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    jolybois
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    Many thanks to Parsnips/Adrian and all the other contributors to this forum on this subject.
    Having lived in France for almost 10 years we received 2013 Avis D’Impot (Vichy) with social charges due on our UK Rental property for the first time this year.
    With advice from the forum we challenged it (by registered letter,DTT,Email from DGIF,HM Self Assessment) and today (3 wks after submission of above) we received a degrevement for the Social Charges.
    Well worth the trouble.Thanks again.
    Jolybois


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    debra
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    Location: Charente
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    I still remember how annoying it was to be ignored in this thread and made to feel like an amateur who couldn’t read and understand the tax treaty. I tried to say that the reason behind the problems with social charges not being credited back might be down to disagreement over what ‘subject to tax’ meant. I pointed out that the tax treaty said that the UK didn’t class social charges as a tax, which meant they wouldn’t be credited back along with French income tax by the UK. I pointed out that the treaty said that each country didn’t have to give non-residents the personal allowances that residents got. Finally (at least from what I can remember as I’m not going back to read it all again) I said that the treaty allowed for CGT to be charged by the UK to non-residents.

    All these things that I pointed out were deemed irrelevant or misunderstood by me. All have them have turned out to be relevant after all and it turns out that I understood what I was reading perfectly well.

    So now that final one is happening, are all those people with UK properties who are having trouble over their taxes being credited back going to give up and sell them before they become liable to capital gains tax upon the sale? Or are we all hoping that they will somehow value the property as at April next year and only gains made after that will be taxed? I’m wondering how they’ll do that (the valuations) and thinking that not many people will be making gains anyway, with the state of the market now. Apart from people who own property in London and the South East, of course……


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    debra
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    ‘Foreign owners of UK residential property face a new capital gains tax (CGT) if they sell after 6 April 2015. Some property experts believe sales will rise ahead of this date, pushing up the supply of available London property this year.’

    https://wealth.barclays.com/en_gb/internationalwealth/your-financial-life/could-the-new-uk-property-tax-affect-you.html


    • This reply was modified 15 Oct 2014 07:06 by  debra.
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    Fred Wilma
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    Hi  all – I’m new here and really need some good advice

    we have only rental income from the UK ( early retirees) – what figure do I actually declare

    1) the figure on my 2014 to 2015 tax returns for the UK

    2) the figures on my spreadsheet ( jan 1 to dec  31 ) for each property showing income and outgoings

    last year I did the later only to find out that the gross was used as indication to my Tax habitation.

    I did manage to get our personal allowances taken off the total at a later date ( kind man at our impot) but it still was not a true after tax figure ( the man at the impot just struck a line through the total and put in a new figure – I’m guessing I cant do that)

    am I missing something as on my first meeting the kind man at the impot said the spread sheet was good enough as it was a paper exercise only ass I pay tax in the UK BUT it does have a knock on effect to things like habitation ( I’m a struggling x pat who does not seem to be very good at languages and am struggling a wee bit)

     

    I thank you for your reply’s ( I hope all the above made sense)

     

    Wilma x


    Yabba Dabba Doooooo

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    anjy
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    Location: Maine et Loire(49)
    Total posts: 67

    Does anyone know of anyone in area 49 who has been refunded social charges on UK rental and lettings income.

    Thanks


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    parsnips
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    Location: charente - maritime 17
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    Hi all – I’m new here and really need some good advice we have only rental income from the UK ( early retirees) – what figure do I actually declare 1) the figure on my 2014 to 2015 tax returns for the UK 2) the figures on my spreadsheet ( jan 1 to dec 31 ) for each property showing income and outgoings last year I did the later only to find out that the gross was used as indication to my Tax habitation. I did manage to get our personal allowances taken off the total at a later date ( kind man at our impot) but it still was not a true after tax figure ( the man at the impot just struck a line through the total and put in a new figure – I’m guessing I cant do that) am I missing something as on my first meeting the kind man at the impot said the spread sheet was good enough as it was a paper exercise only ass I pay tax in the UK BUT it does have a knock on effect to things like habitation ( I’m a struggling x pat who does not seem to be very good at languages and am struggling a wee bit) I thank you for your reply’s ( I hope all the above made sense) Wilma x

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    Yabba Dabba Doooooo

    Hi,

    Declare the gross rent minus the expenses you are allowed to claim in the UK.


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    Lee Harding
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    We are a bit confused by CSG charges on UK rental income. We have just completed our French Income form via our Accountant ( 10 years living here and declaring every year for chalet business). We will now provide our accountant with our UK Rental income 14/15. Is it or Is it not obligatory to provide this information on net rental income and to pay the approx 15 % csg charges ? We seem to be hearing conflicting information. Thanks Lee


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    debra
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    Location: Charente
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    It’s obligatory to provide the information and I’ve been charged social charges on mine this year,  presumably because of the change of designation of them to a tax.


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    debra
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    Hang on, I’m confused (I blame the heat).  If they’ve changed their designation to a tax then I understand I’m not exempt because of being on an S1 anymore but isn’t UK rental income taxable in the UK only anyway?  Someone please remind me before I toddle off to pay the bill :(


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    parsnips
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    Location: charente - maritime 17
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    Hi,

    UK rents are exempted under article 6   of the treaty of 2008 from all french taxes and charges .


    • This reply was modified 16 Aug 2016 22:20 by  parsnips.
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    debra
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    I’ve checked again (with my glasses on) and it looks like I’ve had a credit for the French tax on the rental income.  It just seemed a high amount that I was then charged on the dividend income that was much lower than the rental income.

    I’ve had no refund of charges that were made along with plus value tax on a property sale so it seems a bit off that I have to pay this when they owe me thousands but apparently it’s the office where the property was sold that I have to reclaim those from rather than my local office.  The house sold was in the Dordogne but I live in the Charente.


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    badfairy
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    “UK rents are exempted under article 6 of the treaty of 2008 from all french taxes and charges .”

    @parsnips – do you have a link to the above mentioned treaty please, as I would like to keep a copy for my tax records just incase it’s needed.  Many thanks.


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