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    I nearly posted this in the long thread about heating your house but decided it warranted a new topic.

    Engie now have a special electric vehicle owners tarif called Elec’Car which gives a lower off peak/Heures Creuses rate (0,104€/kWh TTC) if you are genuinely the owner of such a thing.

    They trumpet it as the HC rate being “50% cheaper than the HP rate”. However, the HP/Heures Pleines rate is slightly higher than normal (0,169€/kWh TTC) & it’s only 50% cheaper hors taxe/HT i.e. by the time the TVA is added it’s not quite 50% less. It is, obviously, a lower HC rate than their (& EDF’s) standard HC rate of 0,1252€/kWh TTC & your whole house will benefit, not just the car charging bit.

    Engie’s standing charge is the same for normal HC/HP & Elec’Car (& both are less than EDF’s…).

    I’ve yet to work out if the extra day rate v lower night rate works out well, though it would depend on how much you need to charge you EV at home. I’ve also not yet done research into what any other energy providers might be offering to EV owners, so if anyone else has more knowledge please post here.


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    If you can afford an electric vehicle you probably don’t care about the small amount you can save on your off-peak consumption.


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    #1819694
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    If you can afford an electric vehicle you probably don’t care about the small amount you can save on your off-peak consumption.

    Well, that’s an opinion. Currently there are many EVs that can be bought for a lot less than some people are willing to pay for their cars, & not everyone wants a Tesla.

    We are only a few years off the tipping point when new EVs will start to become cheaper than equivalent types of ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) vehicles. There is already a market for used EVs & with some of the battery guarantees kicking in you might be surprised at what is coming onto the second hand market.

    If you have a bit over 18 minutes to spare I thoroughly recommend this video.


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    I did somegoogling to try and find some figures for kwh’s consumed for a given distance, it was all very wooly but I used a generally accepted figure, costed it out on the then current price of HC units and compared it to my costs for running a diesel vehicle and it was a hell of a lot more, people who care about the planet are really putting their money where there mouth at current prices and the purchase cost and depreciation of an electric vehicle has put me off until prices tumble as they surely will.

    There is also the cost/inconvenience of having to have a larger puissance souscrite to charge your vehicle and the voltage drop when more and more people do so.

    Against that there are free charging points springing up everywhere, all the Lidls, Eurotunnel, all over the place, who is paying for all this free fuel for the motorist? Must be a government initiative.

    In the meantime as no-one is yet using the one at Lidl I should start ferrying my storage heaters there each morning and bringing them back in the evening, I need to get a second set to heat the place while the others are charging :lol:


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    I have had shares for a couple of decades in a motor industry consultant engineering company I had close ties with, its been a rocky ride and for most of that time over 2/3 of my investment was lost, the last few years have seen the share price rise dramatically following their strategic move into hybrid and electric propulsion, battery and energy storage systems.

    They have risen 30% since September which for me was a good indication that the half year trading results due the end of February will be good, today they released a trading update containing this:

    Order intake in the half year to 31 December 2017 has been generated from a broad range of sectors including the development of electric vehicle battery systems from a customer in China, passenger car new engine design work from Japan, a European car battery testing program, a large multi-year order for the independent verification and validation of a Taiwanese rail line and further air quality work for the UK Government. The order intake relating to electric or hybrid vehicles in the half year to 31 December 2017 has been particularly encouraging and is in the region of 24% of total order intake, compared to 17% for the year to 30 June 2017.

    It is clear to me where the money of all the motor manufacturers is being invested and what we will all be driving sooner or later.


    #1819708
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    If you can afford an electric vehicle you probably don’t care about the small amount you can save on your off-peak consumption.

    Well, that’s an opinion. Currently there are many EVs that can be bought for a lot less than some people are willing to pay for their cars, & not everyone wants a Tesla. We are only a few years off the tipping point when new EVs will start to become cheaper than equivalent types of ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) vehicles. There is already a market for used EVs & with some of the battery guarantees kicking in you might be surprised at what is coming onto the second hand market. If you have a bit over 18 minutes to spare I thoroughly recommend this video.

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    Jonathan Badger – St Germain de Tallevende 14500 http://www.badgerlx.fr

    Until I can buy one for around a grand with a few years battery life left in it I will carry on with IC engined vehicles.  If the government bans them outright I will go for a tractor which the powers that be wouldn’t dare ban.


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