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    CelticRambler
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    Where is drift? Need an explanation as to just how it was that May was prepared to jettison Northern Ireland to keep her and the scummy party in power.

    Ah now, to be fair, he/she did say that NI would never agree to England deciding NI’s future … and as of today (note for posterity: it’s Monday) the rest of the UK knows that they are but the junior partners in this relationship. :wacko:


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    Yep and Ireland has put England in its place with the help of the rest of the EU standing behind it, must be getting hard for those Brexiters to keep those delusions of grandeur alive.

    Edit I could be wrong but didn’t someone on here or on another thread say that that wouldn’t happen and instead Ireland would be told to accept what was agreed?


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    This article illustrated some econic “facts” about the north and south. https://www.irishtimes.com/northern-ireland-and-the-tripadvisor-index-of-economic-vibrancy-1.3311077?mode=amp “The Republic’s economy is four times larger, generated by a work force that is only two and a half times bigger. The Republic’s industrial output is today 10 times that of the North. Exports from the Republic are 17 times greater than those from Northern Ireland, and average income per head in the Republic, at €39,873, dwarfs the €23,700 across the Border.” I was surprised by the difference.

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    gfplux

     

    An interesting spin, although Ireland has an unemployment rate of 6.1%,

    nor any mention of healthcare costs eg. GP appointment 35 – 65 euro. A&E treatment 100 euro etc…….it also fails to mention this… …………

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9813358/British-taxpayers-funded-Irelands-14bn-bail-out.html

     

    Still…… its from the Irish news again anyway.


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    Where is drift? Need an explanation as to just how it was that May was prepared to jettison Northern Ireland to keep her and the scummy party in power.

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    Always in such a rush Icey, chill out, some of us still have a career, kids, family and life to be getting on with. ;-)

    Anyways………. DUP were correct in blocking the bill put forward, they told May this weeks ago that they would do so.  Why the surprise. ?

    Its also a reflection that the DUP can see the knock on effect it will have on the rest of the UK when Scotland and Wales call for the same status.  Gibraltar caught in the canon fire next aswell.  It has the potential to split the whole of the UK, so the correct decision.

    The UK leaves as a complete unit.    Divide an conquer ?

    Still…. your all miles ahead of yourselves, nothing has been decided yet.  Lets see what happens.

    Personaly, I think a border (of some sorts) in Ireland will need to be put in place and people just get on with it.


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    I’d like to see the UK gov have a little bit more backbone, the EU and ROI have a lot to lose out of this also.  The EU haven’t got their 45 billion  yet.  ;-)


    Anger is an energy !

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    Personaly, I think a border (of some sorts) in Ireland will need to be put in place and people just get on with it.

    And that’s the whole issue …Ireland and the EU will never ‘get on with it’ and neither will many people from NI.  The UK government would fall if there was a ‘no deal’ … Only option is a no brexit brexit… or a general election.


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    Where is drift? Need an explanation as to just how it was that May was prepared to jettison Northern Ireland to keep her and the scummy party in power.

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    Always in such a rush Icey, chill out, some of us still have a career, kids, family and life to be getting on with. ;-)

    Anyways………. DUP were correct in blocking the bill put forward, they told May this weeks ago that they would do so. Why the surprise. ?

    Its also a reflection that the DUP can see the knock on effect it will have on the rest of the UK when Scotland and Wales call for the same status. Gibraltar caught in the canon fire next aswell. It has the potential to split the whole of the UK, so the correct decision.

    The UK leaves as a complete unit. Divide an conquer ?

    Still…. your all miles ahead of yourselves, nothing has been decided yet. Lets see what happens.

    Personaly, I think a border (of some sorts) in Ireland will need to be put in place and people just get on with it.

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    Anger is an energy !

    Thank you for the reply. (And btw I am not an oldie so still have the career etc but I am always in a rush :grin: )
    Today’s pantomime made little sense to me. With regard to Gibraltar it is too small, it was almost given away before and no one in the British govt. would have any hesitation in abandoning it if they were to benefit from doing so. You seem to be resigned to having borders but I can’t believe that it be so easily accepted by everyone.


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    So, the headlines of 90% there may have been a little optimistic!  Quelle surprise.


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    I struggle to fully understand why some individuals and political parties on all sides are still stuck in the past celebrating 400 year old battles and not focusing on the present and the future. NI voted by 56% to 44% to stay in the EU. If the DUP focused on the opportunities to attract more jobs as a unique area with a foot in both camps all the people of NI will improve their lives. HQs from the banks and financial sectors could move to Belfast and keep jobs within the UK and not move to Dublin or Europe.  Think of the greater good for all people of NI  and not what religion you follow.

    And for “Drift” I have one message, anger is never a energy or strength, understanding how we get along with your neighbour is a far more rewarding achievement.

    As the Berlin wall came down to reunite the people of Germany, all of Ireland will some day be reunited, maybe not I your lifetime but it will happen.  :good:


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    I struggle to fully understand why some individuals and political parties on all sides are still stuck in the past celebrating 400 year old battles and not focusing on the present and the future. NI voted by 56% to 44% to stay in the EU. If the DUP focused on the opportunities to attract more jobs as a unique area with a foot in both camps all the people of NI will improve their lives. HQs from the banks and financial sectors could move to Belfast and keep jobs within the UK and not move to Dublin or Europe. Think of the greater good for all people of NI and not what religion you follow. And for “Drift” I have one message, anger is never a energy or strength, understanding how we get along with your neighbour is a far more rewarding achievement. As the Berlin wall came down to reunite the people of Germany, all of Ireland will some day be reunited, maybe not I your lifetime but it will happen. :good:

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    hi Shandy.

    We dealt with a lot of the issues in your post earlier in the thread.

    Its not 400 year old battles, its the 30 odd years of conflict and death which is still continuing from a minority.  Its hard to forget for those its come close to.

    I’ve also mentioned religion earlier and integration, ref: your religious bigot insinuation.  I don’t have any religious hatred, my problem is with the groups who still are targeting and killing and who have disrespect of my nationality, religion and culture.  I won’t be criticised or patronised for it, neither should I have to.

    Anger was quite a successful energy for the IRA/INLA/PIRA/ republican movement, (2nd only to the Nazis in the murder of British and Irish citizens) it got them political status and a seat in devolved government in the N. Ireland assembly.  Not too shabby for violence, murder and anger.

    As far as the economy goes……I voted leave because I believe the EU is failing and will eventually eat itself to death, that leaves any members still on board in a precarious position down the line. Ireland was one of the countries that had to be bailed out for billions when the celtic tiger had kittens.

    I’d rather not be part of that when it comes again.

    If N. Ireland gets special status, then London, Scotland and Wales not forgeting Anguilla (I’ve heard) will be seeking similar.  Basically the end of the UK as we know it.

    Not a good prospect and not good for anyone with a UK pension etc .

    Not a good prospect either when these (now small) nations end up being owned by the EU like Greece and Italy.

    The DUP have got a lot of flack for making the correct decision, however the Tory back benchers were never going to allow it either.

     

    Anyway….thanks for the input and your opinion.


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    Hi Drift, I have been very closely following this subject since it started and felt it was time to try to give a different view on it. I never insinuated  to you as a bigot but if you feel the need to try to put me down by turning and twisting words as a way of winning a debate, I will turn the other cheek.

    The violence and killing has gone on far too long in NI (by all sides) and it is only since the NI agreement and the hard work of people like the Rev Ian P and others you have had prosperity for all people.  I have never agreed with the referendum because there was no clear honest choice as to what any voter was choosing. I respect your choice to wish to leave the EU but if you had of known the potential cost to jobs and investment in NI we all may choose a different path. History will tell us if it was the right choice.

    The DUP should also respect the wishes of the 56% of voters and consider is it right to totally block this opportunity for the people of NI.

    It may take a very brave PM to give NI a separate vote or the UK to rerun the referendum.

     


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    From the (Trojan) horse’s mouth

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/04/brexit-talks-deadline-no-breakthrough-ireland-theresa-may-heads/


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    Where is drift? Need an explanation as to just how it was that May was prepared to jettison Northern Ireland to keep her and the scummy party in power.

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    Always in such a rush Icey, chill out, some of us still have a career, kids, family and life to be getting on with. ;-)

    Anyways………. DUP were correct in blocking the bill put forward, they told May this weeks ago that they would do so. Why the surprise. ?

    Its also a reflection that the DUP can see the knock on effect it will have on the rest of the UK when Scotland and Wales call for the same status. Gibraltar caught in the canon fire next aswell. It has the potential to split the whole of the UK, so the correct decision.

    The UK leaves as a complete unit. Divide an conquer ?

    Still…. your all miles ahead of yourselves, nothing has been decided yet. Lets see what happens.

    Personaly, I think a border (of some sorts) in Ireland will need to be put in place and people just get on with it.

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    Anger is an energy !

    You say the DUP told May weeks ago. I also assume she must have revisited the issue before flying to Brussels yesterday.
    Did she therefore know exactly what she was doing. The DUP can now be seen as the only stumbling block to moving on to trade talks.
    What do your special contacts say about that.
    Thanks for your special insight Drift.


    gfplux

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    Just like ol’ times


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    <p abp=”967″>Where is drift? Need an explanation as to just how it was that May was prepared to jettison Northern Ireland to keep her and the scummy party in power.

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    <p abp=”970″>Always in such a rush Icey, chill out, some of us still have a career, kids, family and life to be getting on with. ;-)

    <p abp=”972″>Anyways………. DUP were correct in blocking the bill put forward, they told May this weeks ago that they would do so. Why the surprise. ?

    <p abp=”973″>Its also a reflection that the DUP can see the knock on effect it will have on the rest of the UK when Scotland and Wales call for the same status. Gibraltar caught in the canon fire next aswell. It has the potential to split the whole of the UK, so the correct decision.

    <p abp=”974″>The UK leaves as a complete unit. Divide an conquer ?

    <p abp=”975″>Still…. your all miles ahead of yourselves, nothing has been decided yet. Lets see what happens.

    <p abp=”976″>Personaly, I think a border (of some sorts) in Ireland will need to be put in place and people just get on with it.

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    Anger is an energy !<p abp=”979″>

    <p abp=”980″>You say the DUP told May weeks ago. I also assume she must have revisited the issue before flying to Brussels yesterday.<br abp=”981″>
    Did she therefore know exactly what she was doing. The DUP can now be seen as the only stumbling block to moving on to trade talks.<br abp=”982″>
    What do your special contacts say about that.<br abp=”983″>
    Thanks for your special insight Drift.

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    <p abp=”986″>gfplux

    See the other Brexit threads, GP.

    Do you really think May would have gone there, having agreed wording with the DUP, only to rush out of the meeting to ring the DP again ……… unless there was a change?

    There are rumours that the Irish Govt changed the wording at the last minute, certainly in a leak, to prompt this problem.

    The truth will eventually emerge.

    S.


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